Why is it ok...

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Why is it ok...
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Thu, 08-09-2007 - 8:01pm

Why is it ok for someone to tell anyone what they should be allowed to do with their body and life?

I don't understand the PL mindset. I mean, there are things I really hate, like smoking. I personally detest it but I would never ever protest about how gross and bad I think it is or try and get smoking outlawed or show people pictures of nasty lungs after years of smoking. I don't think what someone else does is any of MY business unless it could harm me or my family. Someone having an abortion does not effect an outside person.

So who do PL feel they have the right to try and stop abortions of people they don't even know? Do PLers also want to stop people smoking around children? Driving to fast with children? having guns in the house with children? Feeding children junk food so they become obese? All of those things harm children already born.

Why can't we all be PC and allow people to decide what they need and want to do with their body? Just because someone is PC doesn't mean they would have an abortion.

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Registered: 05-06-2007
In reply to: seirith
Thu, 08-09-2007 - 8:33pm

I agree with you, seirith. That has always been my major beef with the over-zealous PLers. How self-important do they have to be to think they have ANY right at all to decide what is better for women than the women themselves? I understand they want to "save lives", yada yada yada, but focus on lives that are being lived and people that are suffering now, not the contents of someone else's uterus!

UGH. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I 110% agree with you! Great post!

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Registered: 04-03-2005
In reply to: seirith
Thu, 08-09-2007 - 11:02pm
Oh yeah? You agree with her post 110%? Well... I agree with her post 150%!!! So, beat that, missy! ;-)



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In reply to: seirith
Thu, 08-09-2007 - 11:53pm
BLAST!!!!! I have been defeated. :-(

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Registered: 03-31-2005
In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 9:27am
It is so funny that you wrote this!! I was driving yesterday and I was at a red light next to a woman with 5 or 6 extremely PL bumper stickers (about killing and murder etc) and I noticed she was smoking. I could not help but shake my head and kind of laugh. Not that it was funny but ykwim.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 9:42am

Why is it ok for someone to tell me not to rob Walmart? It's my body, my life, and what I want to do with it is rob Walmart.

Clearly. Because I really hate that too and oddly enough I'm not pushing for it to be against the law either. It must be that I think there's something different about abortion compared to smoking.

< . . . but I would never ever protest about how gross and bad I think it is or try and get smoking outlawed or show people pictures of nasty lungs after years of smoking.>

Why not? You've got every right to if you feel that strongly about it.

Are you sure about that?

There's a lot of people I don't know. And under our theory of government, we all made a social contract with one another not to hurt other people. Because otherwise you have anarchy.

You're probably right. I don't know whether they should be illegal or not; they could arguably be a form of child abuse or neglect.

However, in the spirit in which you asked, I would ask you, do PCers also want people to have the choice to beat their kids? That's a choice, too.

Why can't we all be PL and allow people to do whatever they want to their own body but leave other people's bodies (including the fetus's) alone?

Granted. But if a fetus wasn't a person, I wouldn't have a problem with someone being PC even if they did have an abortion. Why would anybody care who does or does not have an abortion, or how many abortions there were, if a fetus doesn't deserve any protection?

Just because someone is PL doesn't mean they are anti-freedom. Or that they are narrow-minded or bigoted or ignorant or promoting theocracy or think sex is dirty or whatever other preconceived notions there are. PL's come in all shapes and sizes too.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 10:21am

Yeah well I agree 200%.....you

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In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 11:50am

"Why is it ok for someone to tell me not to rob Walmart? It's my body, my life, and what I want to do with it is rob Walmart."

Go ahead if you want. You're the one who will suffer the consequences, not me. Therefore, not my business.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 12:05pm

>Why is it ok for someone to tell me not to rob Walmart? It's my body, my life, and what I want to do with it is rob Walmart.<

Because unless you advocate anarchy, one must abide by certain societal rules. On the other hand, abortion does not encourage anarchy one bit.

>Because I really hate that too and oddly enough I'm not pushing for it to be against the law either. It must be that I think there's something different about abortion compared to smoking.<

Yes, there is. A woman's abortion does not affect anyone except her and her family. Another's smoking, particularly in public places, affects everyone around the smoker. In other words, a greater argument can be made on making smoking illegal than can be made for making abortion illegal.

>Why can't we all be PL and allow people to do whatever they want to their own body but leave other people's bodies (including the fetus's) alone?<

Because the fetus is in a unique state of nature with the pregnant woman, and forcing her to carry to term that which she believes will harm herself and/or her family is unjust.

Sandy
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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 1:14pm
So you're saying that robbing Walmart should not be against the law? Just like abortion is not against the law? So I'll just suffer whatever the natural consequences of robbing Walmart are and that's nobody's business but my own.
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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: seirith
Fri, 08-10-2007 - 1:33pm

If robbing Walmart were not illegal, just like abortion is not illegal, then it does not encourage anarchy either. It just allows people to rob Walmart. Just like people are allowed to have abortions.

Well that's one way of looking at it. But I was responding to the original poster making the case that because she does not outlaw smoking even though she dislikes it, I (as a PL) should not advocate against abortion. I'm not against abortion just because I don't like it and I wouldn't do it. It's not that simple, and I'm not that simple-minded.

>Why can't we all be PL and allow people to do whatever they want to their own body but leave other people's bodies (including the fetus's) alone?<

I understand and I think it's a legitimate debate. I said what I said flippantly, in asking why we can't all be PL and think just like me, because the original poster asked why we can't all just be PC and think just like her. I believe there's legitimate arguments to be made on both sides (not that I agree with both sides, just that they are legitimate arguments). I don't understand why someone else wouldn't understand that there's a legitimate argument to be made on the PL side, unless they're just assuming that they already know every PL argument and that every PL argument is founded on ignorance.

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