Are those desiring a "natural birth"

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Are those desiring a "natural birth"
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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 11:45am
more inclined to BF? By that I mean those who would like birth to have the least number of interventions as possible (pitocin, epidural, narcotics, forcepts, episiotomy, etc.).



Just curious - did these two things correlate for you?

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 12:57pm
I think there probably is a correlation between the two. I don't know anyone IRL who wanted a totally natural birth (I know I certainly didn't), but here on the boards, it seems as though those women who are intent on having that experience are also very intent on BFing.

I don't think, though, that it works exactly in reverse. IRL, and this includes my own feelings when I was pg, most of the women I know who planned on having epidurals or knew they were having C-sections also planned to BF. For many, the BFing relationship didn't last very long (mine was 4 weeks, another friend did two weeks, one did 3 months, one did 4.5 months, and a few did a bit longer.) I know of only one person IRL who nursed for one year, and she had a planned C-section).

~Kim

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 1:50pm
I don't think that's necessarily true, no.

Perhaps statistically speaking, it might be slightly higher because those that have researched about nature birth may be more inclined to be motivated to breastfeed.

But I certainly think that desiring an epidural would make you less inclined to breastfeed. As for forceps, pitocin, etc.....those are not usually planned! So they wouldn't have an effect on the decision to BF either.

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 2:40pm
Not necessarily...I wanted an epi and I wanted to breastfeed so badly! I also know many women who wanted to nurse and also wanted the epi. So I don't think that's really the case.

What I do think is that all the interventions may inhibit breastfeeding. Take my case...I had a pitocin drip and contractions were bad, I had the epi and then my dear son did not want to turn face down. I had the epidural in for 9 hours...9 hours of fentanyl is a long time. Then came the forceps, then the 4th degree tears. It's hard to find a way to be comfortable let alone try and find the right position to nurse kwim? I really think it was because of the fentanyl that Allen had poor latch. I really do think that the interventions in my birth might have contributed to my stress. Had it been an easy birth (although what birth is easy really? you know what I mean though) I may have been able to overcome the issues despite the depression. Who knows? Next time I want an epi, but I am hoping to hold off on it as much as I can and I hope I go into labour naturally.


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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 4:02pm
I don't think so, no.

I want to nurse......VERY BADLY!! With my next baby I haven't decided whether to go for a VBAC(I have had 2 c-sections) or just schedule another c-section. If I do the VBAC you can bet your butt I will opt for an epidural. We live in a modern society and I have no problem accepting modern advancement in pain management.


christine


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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 4:05pm
I thnk that a very high percentage women who choose to have a true natural birth also BF. I would think that one would be hard pressed to find a woman who went the completely natural way (by choice) who FFs (by choice).

My DD#1's birth was horrific and I believe that contributed greatly to our BF difficulties. Because of the problems I had w/ her, my DD#2 was a planned induction. (In some ways I did at least want to try to go natural, but when I'd think about how bad I had it w/ DD#1, those thoughts of letting nature take its course quickly vanished) I had planned to BF DD#2 from the start, but was prepared if things went wrong again. So, even though I had the pitocin, epi and OB, I was still determined to make BF work.

To answer your question for me personally, no a birth w/ interventions did not mean that I wouldn't BF)

Janet & nursling Sierra

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 4:36pm
for me, yeah. in fact, I consulted with a midwife at a birth centre for DD1 b/c I wanted bf support and knew I'd have more chance of getting it there.

Went back to the same place for DD2 (with same m/w) and both births were natural, no meds. DD1 was a waterbirth, DD2 on land.

Fio.

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 4:39pm
As births go, I'd say Sandrine's was "easy". The WORST contractions, honestly, were no worse than the worst menstrual cramps I ever had, when I was around 14-16. With Nyssa it wasn't as easy...maybe the ctx. were *slightly* (not much) worse, but I think it was just the length of time that made it harder to do for *so long*. ;-)

Sandrine was a 9.5 hr labour, about 5 of which I didn't even know I was in labour for! ;-) With Nyssa, it was 14.5 hrs. :-(

Fio.

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 7:01pm
Nope, I went into labor thinking if I can do it witout meds great....if not bring them on. After 22 hours of labor I ended up with a c-section. I always knew that I would breastfeed and it didn't have anything to do with my "birth plan" or "natural birth"....

I'm due in September...this baby will be a repeat c-section, and I will nurse this baby as well.

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 7:33pm
Just going by my personal experience and the women I know...

ALL the women I know who had natural births, home births, birthing center w/ a MW, Doula, etc BF - for a long time, too (over 1yr).

BUT - that doesn't mean I don't know mothers who have had c/s (elective or not), been induced, planned an epi, etc who nurse their babies for just as long (or longer) than the women I know who had completely natural births.

From my experience, the women I know who chose to FF from day one were more apt to request the medical interventions right away - either an epi when the first walked into L&D (or as soon as they were allowed to have one), elective C/S, or early induction. That doesn't mean that all or most women who opt for medical interventions will opt to FF.

Among my friends, family & acquaintances, those who choose to have a natural birth (or at least try) do bf (or at least attempt to bf) unless there is some medical reason why they can't bf. I do agree that they are more inclined to bf because of the reading & info they have - most of the natural childbirth techniques & supporters are also BF'ing friendly/promoters.

Michelle (who's had 2 unplanned c/s)

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Mon, 05-05-2003 - 8:17pm
For me there wasn't a correlation, but I think *in general* there is - but only in one direction. I think that a person who is inclined to have a natural birth is likely to have educated herself on birthing options... if she's done that, she's probably also educated herself about the benefits of BFing as well. I don't think that means that someone who inquires about the epidural at the first prenatal visit is NOT educated though... they may have, like me, done the research and know what they want out of L&D.

How do I say this without being offensive... I think that there is a *type* that is more likely to do a LOT of things. I'm not saying it's a bad type or a good type, but it is there. This would be the woman who generally is most, if not all, of the following: natural child-birthing, possibly home-birthing, BFing, APer, non-vaxxing, and so on... basically all the "natural" options. I think of course a person like that is more likely to BF... I mean can you imagine someone having an unassisted homebirth and then whipping out a bottle of formula? The images are just incongruous! Those two things don't go together in the same person somehow. Again, I don't mean to offend, or debate those other options, just making a point.

I'm not saying I'm in favor of ALL interventions. There is a big difference between an epidural and a forceps delivery! While I would go to GREAT lengths to avoid ever being in the same room with pitocin again, I have no problem with getting an epidural. It helped me relax, relieved some of my pain (though not all of the really painful pressure - not when you go from 5 to 10 cm in 20 minutes), and made the delivery much more peaceful and less anxiety ridden for me.

However... despite that, I still very much wanted to BF.

Good question, though. Thought-provoking.

-Deb

 

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