Cow milk vs. formula

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Cow milk vs. formula
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Thu, 05-08-2003 - 7:33am
In the conferences I've been to, they said that there has never been a non-biased study that has been done that has proved that formula is, in fact, better for babies than plain cow milk, or a home-made formula. (If anyone can find me one, I'd be very interested, but I do believe that there aren't any studies out there proving this) Logic tells us otherwise; that we could theoretically, with the help of modern science, make something that would be less harmful to our children than pure cow milk. But scientific studies don't exist proving this.

Despite this, if you go see a MD and say you're feeding cow milk or a homemade formula, he will probably just about lynch you...call the CPS, etc. If you go see a MD and say you're feeding formula, most MD's will just say "that's fine, just make sure it's iron-fortified" or something like that. Or some would perhaps promote the brand they are bought out by. ;-) This, despite the multitude of studies proving the differences between bfed and ff'ed kids. Why? Why is it that they are so scared to say ANYTHING promoting bfing, or even *trying* to bf, when they would "promote" ff'ing even in the absence of studies proving a difference btwn ff'ing and feeding cow milk?

Does anyone else think that there is something wrong with this picture?

Fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 3:49pm
I searched for it myself, but was unable to locate any studies done on children fed homemade formula.

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http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-wh4.html

So evaporated milk with the Poly Vi SOl Vitamins added is nutrionally inadequate when compared to commercially prepared formula. However, you could say the same about formula and bm, considering that there are many nutrients in bm that aren't in formula and they are not yet sure what is the purpose of those nutrients.

Sherry


Edited 5/11/2003 11:02:49 PM ET by sherryg402000

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 5:10pm
Yes, and also...

"Homemade formulas should not be used, says Nick Duy, assistant to the director in FDA 's division of regulatory guidance. Homemade formulas based on whole cow's milk don't meet all of an infant's vitamin and mineral needs. In addition, the high protein content of cow's milk makes it difficult for an infant to digest and may put a strain on the baby's immature kidneys. Substituting evaporated milk for whole milk may make formula easier to digest, but it is still nutritionally inadequate when compared to commercially prepared formula

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-wh4.html "

What do we know about Nick Duy? He may be assistant director in FDA's division of regulatory guidance, but what else is he, who is he? What companies does he own shares in?

fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 7:53pm
I think it was a really bad idea for you to have posted the ingredients of homemade formula. I hope you will consider editing your post and removing them....AND the link.

I don't care if someone can get this off of the internet. You don't need to make their job any easier.

I would hope you don't want to take the responsibility that someone just might take a look a that homemade formula and decide to do it on their own.


christine




Edited 5/10/2003 7:54:21 PM ET by cl-sunny.side.up


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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 7:56pm
And your post is almost equally as bad. I am surprised that you would be questioning the validity and importance of a fortified infant formula. Comparing it to homemade formula is comparing apples to oranges.


christine


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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 10:37pm
I don't see how.

" And your post is almost equally as bad. I am surprised that you would be questioning the validity and importance of a fortified infant formula. Comparing it to homemade formula is comparing apples to oranges."

Like I said before: there has never been any study that has proven a "better" outcome on babies fed institutional formulae than ones fed on homemade formulae. Why should we believe the word of companies who have money at stake (to lose) if we don't use their product? Or that of someone who may be biased as well?

I'm not saying he IS...just that I like to find out these things before deciding if I think they're credible or not.

Fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:19pm
There's never been a study saying that there's a better outcome with babies drinking "institutional" formula than ones fed cow dung either. So what??

I don't need a "study" to know what's wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that "institutional" formula fortified with the right amount of vitmains, minerals, fat....and so on, is BETTER than some concocion made in the kitchen.

It's a very dangerous idea you're questioning.


christine



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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:58pm
Cow dung...you crack me up! ;-)

" There's never been a study saying that there's a better outcome with babies drinking "institutional" formula than ones fed cow dung either. So what??"

Or horse dung. ;-)

"I don't need a "study" to know what's wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that "institutional" formula fortified with the right amount of vitmains, minerals, fat....and so on, is BETTER than some concocion made in the kitchen. "

Well, we've discussed before how different animals have different milks, and cow milk is not that close to human milk. So why is it such a difficult leap of the imagination to figure that perhaps a mom who could have access to chimp's milk might be able to make a formula "closer" to her milk than the formulae based on cow milk? ;-)

I've heard other people say the exact opposite of what you said above: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to make up a perfectly adequate *complete liquid diet* for an infant. One person I know who said this is married to someone who worked in the baby milk plant for Ne$tlé for a number of years. His take? "Formula is easy enough to make for anyone with a bit of understanding of mixing amounts and knowing what to mix, the right amounts etc. Commercial formulae are there for the numbskulls who have a hard time mixing up one scoop per 8 oz of water." Those people who screw up the simplest of recipes b/c they get the amounts wrong every time. (I have an aunt like this)

Of course, since he worked for N. I guess I shouldn't really trust him, except I find it really ironic that he would say something like that which could be detrimental to the company (and said it when he still worked for them). I guess I kind of figure since it goes in the opposite direction of a "bias" that there's perhaps some merit in what he says...after all, his job was to add vitamins to the formulae. He's a BSc in chemistry, but says it's like making cake mixes. ;-)

Fio.

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Sun, 05-11-2003 - 12:15am
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Yes, we have....and we've also discussed *why* it is we use cow's milk over any other animal's. ;)


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Come on Fio, use some common sense here. Would you really be comfortable with people mixing their own infant formula?? These precious babies you are so concerned about.....NOW you are willing to let "numbskulls" formulate?? LOL....


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Sun, 05-11-2003 - 12:36am
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Yes, we have....and we've also discussed *why* it is we use cow's milk over any other animal's. ;)"

Yes, but that doesn't answer my question...why is it so unthinkable to presume that perhaps chimp's milk (assuming it was easy to get, LOL) could be any worse than cow milk based formula?

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Come on Fio, use some common sense here. Would you really be comfortable with people mixing their own infant formula?? These precious babies you are so concerned about.....NOW you are willing to let "numbskulls" formulate?? LOL.... "

No, honestly, given the mental capacity of some people I've come across who can't even put 2 and 2 together and get 5 (oops...that's 3 isn't it? ;-)), I'd rather they didn't make their own milk. No, there are people who have a hard time mixing up the formula they buy and should probably be using the RTF cans only. ;-) But given someone who is intelligent, who researched it, who was able to find out what to include to get it to the right proportions...what scientific evidence tells us there is any more risk to that than to the regular institutionalized formulae?

None! But reams and reams of studies have been done on bf vs ff and despite the definate negative trend towards health in general in the general population of ff'ed kids, no one would leap down someone's throat for feeding formula by *choice* and lots would do that to some educated person making their own mix.

I don't get why the 2 are so vastly different that one shouldn't concern anyone, but the other is cause for great concern.

Fio.

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Sun, 05-11-2003 - 12:51am
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What was your question again?? LMAO...um, I don't disagree with you here either. I'm simply stating that cow's milk is easier. I imagine that if chimp's milk was a prevelant as cow's....we'd be using it. Just a guess though.


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Ok, I'll give you that. I think. I have been looking into adding my own DHA/ARA to bottles of formula.....if need be;)



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