Do FFers know this risk?

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Do FFers know this risk?
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Sat, 07-18-2009 - 4:15pm

Do most FFing parents know powdered infant formulas are not commercially sterile products? How much of a risk is a E. sakazakii infection? Is it only a risk to premature and low-weight babies? According to the WHO article below, "infants under 2 months of age are at greatest risk."


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Registered: 04-07-2009
Tue, 07-28-2009 - 3:58am
It doesn't bother me too much. I'm being called a troll because there was no way to argue what I had to say.




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Registered: 04-07-2009
Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:02am
Lol hey I'm not ashamed. I don't exactly flaunt it but "To each his/her own" right?




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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:03am

I would go so far as to say it is false to assume no one is deficient in Arizona, what with ppl conscously avoiding the sun, wearing hats, and putting on sunblock now. Lots of ppl still are likely deficient. But fewer than in Alaska, I'll give you that. ;-)

And I wouldn't say people "catch up" in summer. It's like...if you starve through the winter months, does eating "sufficient" food in the summer mean you won't feel hunger next winter? ;-) That is, assuming you *do* get sufficient amounts in summer months. If you ate 100 calories per day in winter, and upped it to 400 during summer would you STILL not be losing weight and starving (just not as fast) in summer? ;-)

But it is becoming increasingly evident to me just why more cancers are detected in winter, why more colds and flus abound in winter, and just how vital D is for many of these and for a properly functioning immune system. My entire family takes D now and aside from Gastro bug from hell ;-) we're low on colds and flus in general in the winter. Additionally, my mother, who suffers from post polio syndrome (PPS), lines up her starting taking D supplements in larger amounts with better muscle stamina. For those of you who don'T know PPS, it is characterized by extreme muscle weakness/fatigue unlike that which "ordinary" people get following exercise. Their fatigue can literally take *months* to go away if they "overdo" it. Not like your typical stiff muscles after a difficult workout. My mom quite literally couldn't ride a stationary bike more than 10-15 min. a year ago. Now she can do an hour. Muscle loss that occurred when she was 3 yrs old in her lower limbs and paralyzed her at htat point in time, which has never fully recovered, has made her largely unable to "build" much muscle like I can or like other people can. She went from starting teaching aquafit classes to having to use a wheelchair in order to continue saving her limbs for those times when she *really* wanted to use them (aquafit classes) or risk giving up her profession as a fitness instructor. Since taking D in large amounts, it seems things are on an upward slope for the first time in over a decade for her. :-)

And yes, that is as anecdotal as it gets. :-) She has, however, changed *nothing* else in her regieme, diet, lifestyle, habits and supplements. And it has been discussed in D studies and literature about muscle gain. :-) Since it's a hormone, and all YK... ;-)

And yes...this is a soap box I will.not.get.off. :-)

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:06am
Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to look up that ad.




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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:10am

Just FTR, as per the latest research, this is outdated already. Nutrition classes are woefully slow at getting their information changed sometimes (and this includes on BFing issues too at times!). :-(

«It's best to get Vit D from a natural source as much as possible. Vitamin D is one of the 4 fat-soluable vitamins that we need (along with A, E, K), but they can be harmful if we have too much of them. Too much Vitamin D can actually be fatal. Because it is fat soluable, it is not excreted from our bodies as easily as water-soluable vitamins and therefore, it can accumulate and lead into excess.»

Vitamin D was *mis*classified as a "fat soluable vite"; it is actually a hormone. It can be overdosed on but at levels MUCH MUCH MUCH higher than previously thought. We're talking like 100 000 IU *per day* for literally *months* on end.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org has REAMS of studies referenced and loads of interesting reading.

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:14am
I just can't believe someone would actually say that to you or make you feel that way. I mean I do believe you, but I went through something slightly similar only in that it took me a total of close to 10 years to have my first baby and some people actually told me "Finally!" when I told them I was pregnant. It's like they don't know you're already hurting from the years of trying. Some people are very lacking in the sensitivity department. But you have to admit that it is worth the wait when you see how beautiful your baby is.




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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:14am

The most recent up to date rec's are a) *assume* that you are deficient unless you are out in a skimpy bikini during noon day sun for just enough time to not quite get burnt and therefore assume a minimum of 2000 IU per adult...however b) 1000 IU per 25 lbs of bodyweight seems to be more of a proper dose in terms of how much you *really* need. 2000 IU per day per adult will still *help* and definitely won't tip pretty much anyone over into the "overdose" area.

And yes, the test is 25-OH-D. :-) Not sure how easy it is to get it where you live. Here, we need to see like a naturopath or something.

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:18am
Oh BTW I'm not sure if there really is an appropriate analogy for this Holly. ;-) But let's just go back to my starvation/hunger theme I tried on Nisu earlier...if you said your baby was surviving just fine TYVM on 100 calories per day, I would most definitely "armchair diagnose" that she was not getting enough calories to survive. ;-) It's *that* rampant... :-)
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:25am

«Years back it was recommended that my children take Poly-vi-sol to make sure they got enough vitamin D. I wasn't too keen on having them take a product put out by the formula manufacturers. Instead, I let them get a little sun.»

Nisu, I was right.there.with.you. when Sandrine and Nyssa were little. BM couldn't be deficient if Mother Nature created it right? We survived on it for aeons right? Since I changed how I view it to it not being *BM* that is deficient but the amount of time we spend in the sun *particularly* since we want to avoid skin cancers, premature ageing etc. now, I have done a 180 on the subject. :-)

I *still* cringe at seeing D-vi-sol come to my till at work. Just last night I suggested yet another person check out the D drops down the same aisle. The box is too small and too many ppl don't notice it. :-( But I've "sold" several ppl on it so far and *shhhh* I'm actually not supposed to really be giving "medecine" advice since I'm not (yet) a pharmacy tech/pharmacist. :-(

But it's *So* easy to dose, tastes like nothing, can be hidden in *anything*...pour as many drops as you need in your oj, over your salad, into a yoghurt container...etc. Or directly into the mouth. Or smear the one drop on your nipple and latch baby on...or put it on a paci, your finger (to suck on) or a bottle teat. Drop a drop or few into a raspberry where it's thimble shaped. ;-) Etc...

«Since then, I am beginning to scrounge up more info on vitamin D. I even bought some Cod Liver Oil a few months ago. But the bottom line seems to keep coming back to the fact that humans need sunshine. CLO has too much vitamin A.»

Yup...I wouldn't recc. getting it from CLO. :-( Maybe getting a little CLO in general isn't bad, for a small amount of A too, but honestly, it's not something you want to get all your D from, b/c by the time you get enough D, you are *far far* into overdose area for A (which IS a fat-soluable vite :-)).

It's not too late to give your kid(s) D drops too Nisu. :-) The girls get them here too. :-)

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 07-28-2009 - 4:39am
That's why I get the D drops. Not made by a formula company, and they don't require an entire dropperful of an icky stinky stain-causing substance. ;-)

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