Do FFers know this risk?

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Do FFers know this risk?
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Sat, 07-18-2009 - 4:15pm

Do most FFing parents know powdered infant formulas are not commercially sterile products? How much of a risk is a E. sakazakii infection? Is it only a risk to premature and low-weight babies? According to the WHO article below, "infants under 2 months of age are at greatest risk."


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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:08pm

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Cool! You made a joke for me, or I made one without realizing it. This is more fun than a barrel of cats, er...monkeys.

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:14pm

LOL...actually I hate sunscreen too. I'd *much* rather avoid the sun. Sun gives me headaches anyhow.

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But I know lots of ppl do use it and it blocks way more UVB before getting close to blocking UVA. :-(

Yup it goes by weight for adults too. But having looked recently for quotes for that amount online, all I find are ones that say "most children need 1000 IU per 25 lbs of bodyweight" blah blah and I can't find anything that says it for adults.

JMHO but I'd go ahead and get the 1000 or 2000 IU and dose accordingly...give one 2000 IU drop to your 26 lber every 2nd day and maybe skip 3 days a couple times a week for the 19 lber. Or do the 1000 every day for the 26 lber and skip the weekend days or something for the 19 lber. Again...*I* don't tend to make it an exact dose thing. "drop drop drop drop drop"..."ok that's 5000 IU and you should be getting 2000 but hey I haven't thought to give it for several days now so hopefully it's good." ;-)

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:15pm

The kids responded by asking why she wouldn't play, why she was *sucking* instead of playing with them. They are not en-ed kids.


The mother of suzy did not respond, she went home, she is a very *sucky* woman herself and after that, nothing. The other mothers said suzy was breastfeeding to their children that day and that was it. I never really said there was bullying there that day, those words were put there.


However, the mothers are a different story all together when they talk amongst themselves, out of ear shot from the kids. They no longer ask her for coffee group anymore because she cannot put that kid down!!


My other g/f who nurses her 3 year old boy has resorted to mainly hanging with women who have kids because when us adults go over for cards and beverages, she is gone for two hours trying to nurse him to sleep and we, the company are left sitting there which is not ideal. She has him too spoiled tho, not saying anyone here who only EN's as long as it takes to answer a cel phone or use the washroom does. If she could do that, fine, we could all visit while little Gabriel goes to sleep for the nite then but nope, so we stopped going there as it is not fun sitting whilst the hostest leaves us for hours.


20 years ago, same thing with my other friend. She had her DD too spoiled to go to bed on her own and had to sit and nurse her and coddle her to get to sleep and it took hours!!! Does not make for an evening of friends over to visit, like, EVER! It took that girl until she was 8 to try to sleep on her own. I know, because she tried a sleep over with us and twice was enuf for me, it took hours for me to lie with her to get her to fall alseep.........never again!

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:18pm
;-) thanks for seeing it for what it was!
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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:21pm

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:22pm

I avoid sun too, but if I have to go out then it's sunscreen and a hat. I put sunscreen on my face regardless, just because of those spots I get.

Thank you for all the info - one more question if you don't mind. Can you give the drops to adults? Like say they take a multivitamin but that's not enough IUs, give the drops too then?

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:33pm

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"Sucky"? What does that mean?

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20 years ago, same thing with my other friend. She had her DD too spoiled to go to bed on her own and had to sit and nurse her and coddle her to get to sleep and it took hours!!! Does not make for an evening of friends over to visit, like, EVER! It took that girl until she was 8 to try to sleep on her own. I know, because she tried a sleep over with us and twice was enuf for me, it took hours for me to lie with her to get her to fall alseep.........never again!>>>

It sounds to me like these people have parenting issues that go beyond just the fact that they nurse older kids. I completely disagree with the notion that EN, all by itself, leads to children becoming overly dependent on their mothers, unable to sleep alone, etc. I don't know any children IRL who EN that are the way you're describing these kids to be, including my own child. Even EN mothers are capable (and usually willing) to set boundaries for their children. My son is nearly four years old, and he sleeps all night long in his own bed, and has for years. He only nurses before bedtime, for about a minute. His bedtime ritual lasts a total of 30 minutes, and that includes bath, stories, cuddles and hugs with Daddy, a brief nursing and being tucked into bed. I shut off the light and walk out, and he goes to sleep for the next 11 hours. He does this because it's the expectation we have set for him in our household. The fact that he is still nursing has no bearing on that. He is also independent (has been playing alone in our walled backyard for the past 90 minutes while his baby sister naps; he has balls and other toys, and is exploring the plants as we speak), he doesn't require lots of hugging or cuddling during the day, feeds himself, goes to the bathroom all by himself, and the like.

I've said it before, in this thread and in others, but the people you're describing have made parenting choices that are not necessarily related to the fact that they are EN'ers. I'm not disparaging their choices, since it's their right as parents, but neither do I think it's appropriate to ascribe what you consider to be problematic aspects of their parenting to EN alone.

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:33pm
20 years ago, same thing with my other friend. She had her DD too spoiled to go to bed on her own and had to sit and nurse her and coddle her to get to sleep and it took hours!!!



This was me with my ODD, oddly she was the one I EN'd but I think the two concepts are separate. I just never could get her to go to sleep and in hindsight my methods were the biggest problem (I was most definitely not consistent about it). She didn't sleep on her own until she was 6 yo, and now three years later sometimes she has a hard time. My twins sleep great, but it's not that I stopped bf'ing them early, it's that I had a goal in mind to have a bedtime routine and I was consistent. As an aside they have been wanting to co-sleep with each other the last two nights, but I think that's a twin thing.



In any case I wouldn't invite guests over during dd's bedtime because it *would* have meant leaving them sitting there for a long time without me around, and that's pretty rude. So going back to the whole original thing - I think you have a small sample of EN'ers you are drawing conclusions when some of those issues are not EN issues but other parenting issues. Like the woman who can't put her 3 yo down. Usually 3 yo want to explore their environment with mom safely nearby, not constantly in mom's arms, so something doesn't seem quite right there - but it's not the EN that's a problem it's something that could easily exist without the EN.

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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:35pm

I take a D-drop (1000) "most" days (I forget a couple times a week).

 


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Tue, 07-28-2009 - 12:37pm
I think you owe Jennifer a Dr. Pepper ;)



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