Do FFers know this risk?

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Do FFers know this risk?
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Sat, 07-18-2009 - 4:15pm

Do most FFing parents know powdered infant formulas are not commercially sterile products? How much of a risk is a E. sakazakii infection? Is it only a risk to premature and low-weight babies? According to the WHO article below, "infants under 2 months of age are at greatest risk."


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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 4:16pm

In the end I think it is about finding a kid friendly environment if you have children. The place that I get my hair cut is so kid friendly, they have books and colouring books and pretend tattoos. I go there often, give big tips and my daughter loves it there so much, she has gotten her hair cut there as my husband. She often stops by to say Hi because it is in the mall I go to with her and they love her charm.

But it caters to that kind of client. I could see them having no issue with breastfeeding, and no issue with my needing to tend to Kylie for whatever reason.

Where my grandmother goes to get her hair done, no, they cannot or will not put up with Kylie. They cater to the 60 and up crowd.

Each establishment has to figure out who their clients will be. The last place I got my hair cut would not or could not cater to a 4 year old. I do not go back because I do not have a baby-sitter, and need Kylie with me, not because they are a bad place to get one's hair done.

PS: Although after hearing about hair slivers, I do not know if I will ever cut my hair again...due to this board, I will breastfeed through anything, EN perhaps, but now never get my hair cut or visit a public pool again...ah, the things you learn...;)




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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 4:29pm

Sometimes it takes me less time to nurse my child than it does to go pee.

And some people do take a while, especially if they have tummy upset, to do #2...

I don'T see anything silly about it at all.

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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 4:30pm
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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:18pm

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Interesting how you're still talking about me, and saying things that aren't true. I said that if my BABY needed to nurse while I was in the hair salon, I would do it even if it were my turn for a haircut. I never said I would nurse an older child at that time, which is what EN would refer to. EN = extended nursing, or the nursing of a child over a year old, in the parlance of the times. I didn't say I would be nursing in the chair, either. I would find a place away from the view of others and nurse as quickly as possible. Yes, the other customers would certainly have to "lump it" for the five minutes it would take me to get enough milk into my baby to keep her quiet for the duration of my haircut. And yes, if the salon gave me a hard time about it, I would never visit that salon again.

If you as salon proprietress have a problem with someone taking a few minutes to nurse a baby, then I certainly hope you are also telling your customers that they are not allowed to visit the bathroom during a haircut, answer a cell-phone call, run to their cars for anything, step outside for a cigarette or do any other activity that would delay other peoples' appointments. And if you tell me that you don't allow any of the above, then you have risen above the standard of every.single.hair.salon I have EVER visited in my entire life and someone should commend you to your local chamber of commerce.

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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:18pm
I would like to know what you do if someone who is getting their hair cut needs to use the washroom...



I don't cut hair so I don't know how often a stylist would expect this to happen. I have never in my 38 years needed to stop mid-haircut to go to the bathroom. I don't even think as a child I did that. I would go before or hold it until after. If there was some extenuating circumstances or an honest emergency I think the stylist would try to accommodate them.

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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:21pm

Similarly, no one has been "against" breastfeeding. What you consider to be "hateful" and "inflammatory" actually isn't. Posts are exaggerated to accommodate your need or want to label them. I have seen you accuse people of being insulting and the "proof" you provided was clearly not.

So I will neither ask for or provide evidence to feed your replies.





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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:30pm
We're only talking about these debate boards. The rest of iVillage is irrelevant in this case.

**Nobody should be judged harshly. Not just formula feeders.**

I don't see anyone judging breastfeeders. Is it allowed for someone to post links to replies proving this from these particular debate boards? I can show you posts from nisupulla where she is labeling someone as being "insulting" and providing examples that are not insulting at all. By her method of labeling comments, I actually can call statements made by the breastfeeding women "hateful" and "inflammatory".




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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:32pm
I get odd when I get hungry lol.




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Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:34pm
Sometimes it takes me less time to nurse my child than it does to go pee.



Being a person who gets hair cuts, who has nursed three children a total of 30.5 months and a person who at times has peed more than twice an hour (especially lately) - I am just not getting this argument. If I go to get my hair cut it's the *plan* that I will need someone else to tend to their needs, or if they are old enough they will have to mostly fend for themselves while I'm in the chair. I *plan* accordingly for that, by bringing someone with me who can stay with them in the waiting area or by leaving them home while I go for the appt.



With peeing you generally plan for that too. If you know you'll be in the chair 20 minutes you'll either go before or wait after. My dh has a condition where he sometimes gets stomach attacks and has to go urgently when they hit. But if we are driving in the car on the highway he *has* to wait until the next exit, if he's in a meeting he most times has to try to make it to the end, if he's getting a hair cut he'd manage to wait too. If his condition was really acting up he'd try to plan judiciously or just cancel the appt.

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Registered: 04-07-2009
Sun, 07-26-2009 - 5:40pm
If I were the stylist and the mother made a scene and refused to leave the chair to breastfeed (the age of the child is unimportant in these scenarios) I would find an empty chair, if there was one, and move on to the next customer. Of course if there was not an empty chair, I would probably ask the mom to reschedule if it was going to be a while. Life isn't about pleasing ENers but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to accommodate anyone for a short while.




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