Do FFers know this risk?

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Do FFers know this risk?
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Sat, 07-18-2009 - 4:15pm

Do most FFing parents know powdered infant formulas are not commercially sterile products? How much of a risk is a E. sakazakii infection? Is it only a risk to premature and low-weight babies? According to the WHO article below, "infants under 2 months of age are at greatest risk."


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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:12pm
I thought I'd say it so maybe we could *avoid* the debate on whether she is "rather egocentric" or the context, or what was meant by it or the definition or whether "she's rather egocentric" versus "her ideas are rather egocentric" or why it matters at all. Just like I don't like debating my reading skills or other things like that. We could probably use one less tangent like that.

"The last of human freedoms - the ability to chose one's attitude in a given set of circumstances. " - Viktor Frankl.



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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:18pm
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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:20pm

I still maintain that it is a huge turnoff for me tho

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:20pm

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Because what you did WAS "backpedalling". You initially made a statement that appeared to mean you had seen "hundreds" of women nursing older kids in your salon every month. I asked over and over again whether that was really true, and what you meant to say, and you didn't take any of those opportunities to clarify what you actually meant, until I finally pinned you down later on. Then you started saying that wasn't what you meant, and that I hadn't understood your words. Turns out a bunch of other people read your words exactly as I did. Funny, that.

I don't know why you're always referencing "double standards" and "changing rules", though. What gave you the impression that there were "rules" here in the first place, beyond iVillage's TOS? Every debater has her own style, and as long as we stay within bounds of the TOS, there aren't any specific "rules" we must follow.

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:21pm

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But the actual scientific evidence doesn't sway you. You just "believe that believe it". Interesting.

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:24pm

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With all due respect, why are you here? You've reiterated over and over again that you don't approve of the way the debate progresses here, and you don't seem to be willing or interested in debating the actual subject matter beyond dropping opinions you can't support with anything other than emotions. So, really, why waste your time if you find this such a negative place to be?

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:29pm
Are you saying that you think EN has "positives", then? What are they, in your opinion?



I would just like to say that if you guys believe it is all positive then I beleive that you believe that.



But the actual scientific evidence doesn't sway you. You just "believe that believe it". Interesting.



Have we presented her with scientific evidence about the positives of EN? What was it and where? I think it makes sense that our experiences speak more than the evidence we have, since the evidence is more about "what other cultures did or do" rather than studies of child outcomes. Eventually we'll probably have that, if it ever gets studied. For now we mostly have our experiences to share.

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:33pm

Harmony, there is nothing derogatory about the word "egocentric."

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:33pm

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I have no idea whether she has been "provided" with it. I figured she had taken some time to learn about it on her own before forming such a strong opinion about it, especially given the exposure she claims to have IRL.

But, here, for anyone who hasn't already educated herself:

http://kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-benefits.html

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Mon, 07-27-2009 - 12:45pm
Harmony, there is nothing derogatory about the word "egocentric." It simply means that a person is unable, or unwilling, to see an issue through any point of view but his or her own. ALL children are egocentric until roughly the age of 7-10; it's a normal part of cognitive development.



Yes but you weren't talking about a 7-10 year old who's at a normal stage of cognitive development. The word can be used in a sentence in a positive way or a negative way. How do you expect her to take being told she's "rather egocentric"? Do you expect she's really going to want to hear what *else* you have to say after that?



Lichqueen was being egocentric when she stated that because she never experienced thoughts of violence or harm against the people bullying her that she did not believe it possible for bullying to elicit such feelings in the victim. I'm not being insulting; I'm calling a duck a duck.



Yep, and we can pull out the dictionary and prove you are exactly right in your use of the term. Great. But you didn't call a duck a duck, because a duck wouldn't mind being called a duck. I wouldn't mind being called a poster or a mom or a woman. I *would* mind being called rather egocentric. Your post was *great* and maybe she'll be able to read past that line herself. Maybe we'll come across a topic you are not familiar with and you believe your experience to be correct and I can call you rather egocentric, I'll know for later that you won't mind or consider it a negative thing.

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