Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)

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Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)
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Wed, 03-26-2003 - 5:01pm
How about a simple discussion to get things moving? (Is there such a thing?)

Smokers - should moms who smoke breastfeed their babies? I'm only referring to cigarettes here, not marijuana or other drugs. Is a bf'er who smokes doing more harm to her baby than good?

Michelle

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 12:38am
Excuse me, when did I ever say anything about FFers *not* able to say things are sensational and BFers are? When did I ever say "Any risk is too much?" *I* never said either of those things, so I don't know why you are attacking me. The fact remains that what I have read and been told are much the opposite of what is presented on your site or the facts are taken out of context, or blown out of proportion, and therefore I regard it as sensational. If it was a case of something I wanted to reject because I just didn't want to believe it to be true and had no facts to back it up you'd have a leg to stand on.

What are you objecting to? My "if a FFer can decide to FF based on personal comfort then I can decide to smoke while BFing based on personal comfort" statement? Well, everyone has an opinion and that is mine. Take this as a case of the lesser of two evils. There are dangers associated with FFing and with smoking while BFing (the only two choices in this case). I just had to decide which I was more willing to accept the consequences of.

Brook

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 1:25am
If you're not convinced:

"Formula-fed babies who are exposed to secondhand smoke have a slightly higher risk for respiratory infections and ear infections than do babies who are nursed by a smoking mother. This appears to be true despite the fact that breast milk from a smoker does contain some nicotine." http://my.webmd.com/content/article/34/1728_88173.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

"Q: "I am a smoker. Can I breastfeed?"

A: Even if you smoke breastfeeding is still the best way to nourish your baby. Hopefully during your pregnancy you have cut back on the number of cigarettes you smoke. Just like when you were pregnant, it is important to think about how much you are smoking while breastfeeding. Heavy smoking can cause lower milk production. If you do smoke, do it after you have fed the baby so there is less nicotine in the milk. If you smoke less than 20 cigarettes a day the baby is at less risk from the nicotine. At 20 to 30 cigarettes you and your baby are at a greater health risk. Whether you breastfeed or bottle feed, second-hand smoke increases baby's risk of pneumonia, bronchitis, and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Always smoke outside or in another room."

http://members.tripod.com/~sjba/faq.htm#16

Remember, I'm saying that a mother who smokes lightly and outside of the house is okay. I am in no way supporting a mom who smokes a pack or more a day (inside or out) or smokes lightly in the house. Most of the problems related to maternal postnatal smoking have to do with secondhand smoke exposure. I have seen no evidence so far that the nicotine passed from a lightly smoking mom to baby causes any problems. Even still, a lot of sources say that a mom who smokes a pack a day indoors is better off BFing than FFing because of the immunological help afforded by the BM.

Brook



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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 7:38am
I know what you're in favor of......lol. But, I also know that you are a smoking breastfeeder.

I have read those articles before. I also have some of my own that show just the opposite. I have other opinions that say formula feeding would be better ESPECIALLY since the baby receives nicotine(among other things) in the breastmilk.

Brook, it boggles my mind that a breastfeeding mother would be *ok* with her baby receiving nicotine in her milk(and I don't care how much or little). Also, I know that smokers(I have known MANY) lie about how many ciagrettes they are smoking. I think it is guilt. They KNOW it is bad for them, yet they continue on the same path. They refuse to seek treatment which is readily available. I have no sympathy.

I disagree with you here. ANY amount of the "most addictive drug out there"...nicotine....is TOO MUCH!!


christine


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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 9:36am
"I know what you're in favor of......lol. But, I also know that you are a smoking breastfeeder." So that automatically makes anything I say wrong?



"I have read those articles before. I also have some of my own that show just the opposite." It is unknown what the role of smoking in BFing is so yes, both are out there. "I have other opinions that say formula feeding would be better ESPECIALLY since the baby receives nicotine(among other things) in the breastmilk." So? That's your OPINION. I'm talking about fact.

"Brook, it boggles my mind that a breastfeeding mother would be *ok* with her baby receiving nicotine in her milk(and I don't care how much or little)." So? That's how I feel. It also boggles my mind that a person would *choose* to FF when there is no reason why they can't. "Also, I know that smokers(I have known MANY) lie about how many ciagrettes they are smoking." I don't lie about how much I smoke, and you have no right to accuse me of such. Just because smokers *you* know lie doesn't mean that *every* smoker lies. "I think it is guilt. They KNOW it is bad for them, yet they continue on the same path. They refuse to seek treatment which is readily available." No, maybe it is because they are sick of having the "Smoking is bad. You should quit." shoved down their throats that it's easier to lie. They *know* the consequences and they are willing to accept them. They don't *want* treatment. Smoking is not a disease to be "cured". No guilt about it. "I have no sympathy." We don't want it anyway, especially not yours.

"I disagree with you here. ANY amount of the "most addictive drug out there"...nicotine....is TOO MUCH!!" Nicotine is *not* the most addictive drug out there. Meth has been shown to be addictive after *one* use. You can disagree with me, but that's my opinion and you're not going to change it. Instead of railing against me, a person who smokes lightly and smokes outside, why don't you take up your beef with people who smoke in the house and ones who think it's okay to smoke pot around their kids?

Brook

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:08am
I have a Grandfather who died of cancer that was in direct result of his smoking. My Dad is now in full remission and cancer free after a battle due to smoking cigerettes.

I'd much rather see a mother who smokes (and I don't care how much or how little) to use Formula over her breastmilk.

I agree with sunny & the others. I agree with the article link that sunny provided. And besides, maybe I worry about the future too much, but I'd hate to find out 10yrs or more down the road a brand new study that says formula would have been much healthier if the bfing mother was going to smoke.

I'm personally *VERY* against smoking (for the obvious reasons above)! But *if* you are going to do it and have a baby...please use formula!!!

Of course, I feel while breastmilk is best that formula is a fine nutritional alternative for our children.

FFer EDD July 6th

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:23am
I'm not accusing you of lying about how many cigarettes you smoke a day. I told you of the smokers I know...they lie. If you are willing to take the risk...so be it. I guess you are one of the smokers who enjoy what they do and have no desire to stop. Your choice.

While your opinion is that it's ok for a bf'er to transmit nicotine to their infant, I do NOT. You are willing to take the risk that your baby could be harboring these chemicals in their system.....in the name of breastmilk!!

Anyone who in anyway exposes their children(in anyway shape or form) or anyone else for that matter, to their "tumor causing, teeth staining, smelly, puking habit".....IS SELFISH AND WRONG!!


christine





Edited 3/27/2003 11:36:00 AM ET by cl-sunny.side.up


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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:27am
You are SO right about "future studies". There are so many other things things that have been recanted or refined when further studies are done. I really don't think it's advisable to introduce harmful substances, no matter what the quantity, when it is completely avoidable.

Janet & nursling Sierra

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:37am
About your "sources". FTR, I've found that most of the sites that say "Smoking mothers should not BF" are saying that for the same reason that a lot of sites say "BFing mothers should not use any sort of prescription or OTC drug." It is not proven what the effects of the drug are to the BFing infant, or all of the research so far has shown no ill effects (and this is quite common as the bulk of commonly-used prescription drugs are too new to have had extensive research performed re: BFing) or no studies have been done, period. The basic fact is that most drugs do not appear in BM in even half of the concentrations that it does in maternal serum at its (very short) peak, and before and after the peaks the concentrations are far too low to have any immediate or cumulative impact on the baby. http://www.aap.org/policy/0063.html

Some entire classes of drugs are disqualified by websites because of the diversity of the drugs within the class. The whole antidepressant/BFing thing is based on that-sites say "You can't BF if you're on antidepressants" as a blanket statement because of all of the types of antidepressants out there. Most are okay, but some definitely are not and most authors do not want to spend the time differentiating between them. Even mothers who are on lithium can BF as long as their baby's lithium levels are monitored. Very few sites state this. Then it comes down to the "risk/benefit" ratio. Every package of OTC drugs contains a warning: "Consult doctor before use if breastfeeding" or "this product should not be used while BFing". The former indicates that the risks are unknown or if the benefits outweigh the known risks (if any) it can be used while BFing. The latter indicates that it is completely contraindicated while BFing and should not be taken.

Anyway, I wonder what your opinion is about the use of other drugs while BFing. Medically, nicotine is in the same category.

Brook

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:39am
I'm talking about a mom who doesn't smoke inside. The baby would not be at risk for lung cancer.

Brook

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Thu, 03-27-2003 - 10:42am
And IMHO people who choose to feed an inferior food are selfish and wrong.

Brook

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