Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)

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Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)
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Wed, 03-26-2003 - 5:01pm
How about a simple discussion to get things moving? (Is there such a thing?)

Smokers - should moms who smoke breastfeed their babies? I'm only referring to cigarettes here, not marijuana or other drugs. Is a bf'er who smokes doing more harm to her baby than good?

Michelle

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 8:34am
ITA! if you can quit, do so. if not, bf will still bring SO MUCH good to help out asthma, allergies, etc. that it is still worth it to smoke if you're a bf mom, *but* do smoke out of the baby's presence please! ;-)
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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 8:42am
OK, it says if you bf while smoking, you put your child's risk of all these up:

" * Addiction - 05/02

* Atherosclerosis - 07/01

* Middle ear infections - 02/02

* Less breast milk - 12/91 12/92

* Destruction of brain cells - 05/02

* Colic or excessive crying - 03/89

* Circulatory damage - 07/01 07/01

* Chronic Depression - 10/00 10/00

* Not being able to initiate breast feeding - 07/02

* Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) - 09/02 11/97

* Decrease in your child's ability to learn or memorize - 05/02

* Not wanting to initiate breast feeding due to smoking - 1999

* 70% increase in respiratory infections for first 6 months - 12/96

* Growth of brain neurons to process nicotine - 05/02 03/02 11/95"

May I point out that this is the "risk" of...just like formula fed children are at a higher "risk" of: diabetes, middle ear infections, destruction of brain cells (or lower IQ...I see the 2 as one and the same), colic or excessive crying, SIDS, decrease in your child's ability to learn or memorize (also IQ), respiratory infections/colds, plus childhood cancers, NEC, diarrhea, and a whole slew of other things.

It is a *risk*. Who here has said "correlation does not equal causation"? I know that we know smoking causes some things...but really there are risks to both. IMHO the risks of bf while smoking are still less than the risks of not bf (if it is possible to bf).

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 9:14am
Good point.....however......

We are also talking about what is IN cigarettes. As far as I know there are NO KNOWN CARCINOGENS in formula.


<<"Yikes! In the 4000 chemicals in cigarette tobacco, there are 43 known carcinogens. One is too many for me, much less 43 of them! Look what we've been smoking all these years!">>


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2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan, 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One,2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone, 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine, 1-Tyrosine, delta-Undercalactone, gamma-Undecalactone, Undecanal, 2-Undecanone, 10-Undecenal, Urea, Valencene, Valeraldehyde, Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder, Valeric Acid, gamma-Valerolactone, Valine, Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin, Vanillin, Veratraldehyde, Vetiver Oil, Vinegar, Violet Leaf Absolute, Walnut Hull Extract, Water, Wheat Extract And Flour, Wild Cherry Bark Extract, Wine and Wine Sherry, Xanthan Gum, 3,4-Xylenol, Yeast">>


I don't know...is it just me or is this a whole hell of a lot more ingredients than say *inferior* formula.

No thanks......


christine




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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 11:13am
couldn't have said this better, lisa!
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Sun, 03-30-2003 - 7:26pm
OK, but can you guarantee the same of formula? (that there won't be unknown effects in 20 yrs)
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Sun, 03-30-2003 - 8:55pm
I'm more confident of formula than smoking while bfing! I am positive, I feel sure about that!

I feel very good about formula and the similac advanced I have chosen to use w/this next baby (Enfamil was used for over 14 months w/my first DS).

While breastmilk is best, and we all know that. I feel formula is a fine nutritious alternative and I can say that being educated & informed.

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Mon, 03-31-2003 - 11:19am
I couldn't agree more with you. Regardless of the topic, or which side you're on, everyone should practice respect for others. The first time I joined in a debate on this board, not that long ago, cl-sunnysideup, attacked me personally (if you don't like living in a free country - leave, or something like that, among other things). I didn't expect that from anyone, but certainly not from a board leader.

Lora

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Mon, 03-31-2003 - 11:53am
Exactly how is that a personal attack?? A personal attack....for your information....would be calling you a name. As an example, if I were to say you were "stupid"....or something like that.

But in NO way is "if you don't like living in a free country-leave" a personal attack.


christine


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Mon, 03-31-2003 - 2:38pm
I see - so if I were to call you a moron, that would be a personal attack, right? But if I were to tell you to take a long walk on a short peer, that would not be a personal attack, correct? Got it!

Lora

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Mon, 03-31-2003 - 2:49pm
You're getting the idea.......I think.

LMAO....

christine


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