Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)

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Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)
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Wed, 03-26-2003 - 5:01pm
How about a simple discussion to get things moving? (Is there such a thing?)

Smokers - should moms who smoke breastfeed their babies? I'm only referring to cigarettes here, not marijuana or other drugs. Is a bf'er who smokes doing more harm to her baby than good?

Michelle

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 04-05-2003 - 11:35am
Ditto here. No smoking in my house or car, and when I'm out, I request non-smoking and "as far away from the smokers as possible" in the restaurant.

Fio.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 11:47am
Can you sure about ANYTHING we eat? Why limit it to just formula? I'm not going to spend years worrying about every little thing.

We eat meats (every meal has meat...dining or at home). We eat potatoes and dh eats a few veggies including salads. I don't buy anything organic. I don't order off menus or only dine at places that are "organic".

I'm confident w/formula! I'm confident with the foods I select and purchase every wk. I am confident of the places we dine every wk.

I'm NOT confident of smoking especially having talked to different oncologists! And hearing what the AMA says recently.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 11:47am
Personally, I would not like to see ANYONE smoking in front of their children. I would not like to see people who are parents smoking, in their children's view or not.

However, we know it happens. Personally I think that breastmilk with niccotine in it is still FAR CRY BETTER than formula. I think you would have to add a HECK of a lot of contaminants to breastmilk to lower it to the level of formula.

I say this, given the fact that a heavily contaminated mom's breastmilk (i.e. one who has lots of pesticides, toxins of other forms, etc. in it) lowers a child's life expectancy on average by *3 days* whereas formula-feeding from day one lowers a child's life expectancy by about 60 days or so.

I do think smoking moms, whether they bf or ff, should be getting all the help they can get to stop. Including things like free patches, etc.

JMHO

Fio.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 04-05-2003 - 11:49am
Hmm...let's substitute some words here:

" Not necessarily documented by now. Studies continue. There may be 25 more years before something is found out. Then the children who are then 25 will be facing what the studies say then that perhaps, could be that there was exposure in bm from the mom smoking, although all the studies at the time she was bfing assured it was ok. "

changed:

" Not necessarily documented by now. Studies continue. There may be 25 more years before something is found out. Then the children who are then 25 will be facing what the studies say then that perhaps, could be that there was a great danger to the person's life, as an adult, when formula-fed, although all the studies at the time she was ff'ing assured it was ok. "

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 11:52am
OK, I see. Yeah, no one can be sure of anything in their life.

But that's where people are different I guess. Yeah, I think smoking is *really* dangerous. Very very dangerous. No one smokes in my home and I avoid smoking public places, esp. with my kids in tow, like the plague. But I have MUCH more confidence in human milk, even heavily contaminated, than I do in formula.

I would have to be VERY hard pressed before I'd feed formula to my children...I have absolutely NO confidence that it is a decent product when there is any other alternative, including EBM, BM, and banked milk etc. Obviously that is JMHO on that though.

Fio.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 12:10pm
I still disagree with you and always will...

Smoking is dangerous and bfing/smoking together should *not* be done!

Formula I feel very confident with and if you want to question formula then you should question every food source we have. I will not.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 12:12pm
Contaminated bm is a concern, sorry it isn't yours....smoking is serious! Bfing while smoking should be avoided. I have much more confidence in formula!!!!

Banked milk or wet nurse...NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm much more confident and sure of FORMULA over another human's breastmilk (or their blood)!!!!

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 04-05-2003 - 12:27pm
what would it take for you to use banked milk or another person's milk? keep in mind this is PASTEURIZED milk that has been screened as well. no worse than pasteurized cow's milk WRT illness.

you say "NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

if your child were allergic to ALL artificial infant milks and ALL artificial infant milks were to cause anaphylactic shock reactions (i.e. life-threatening) in your child, would you still say never?

"I'm much more confident and sure of FORMULA over another human's breastmilk (or their blood)!!!! "

and if you were on death's door, you wouldn't accept blood products? if you don't want to for yourself, that is fine...but submitting your child to such a thing???

" Contaminated bm is a concern, sorry it isn't yours"

I never said it wasn't. It IS a concern to me...a major one. *But* contaminated bm is still, in my books, miles ahead of where artificial infant milk will EVER be.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 12:31pm
well we'll have to agree to disagree then.

"Smoking is dangerous and bfing/smoking together should *not* be done!"

i consider formula dangerous as long as there is another option. moreso than the milk of a smoker. much moreso.

"Formula I feel very confident with and if you want to question formula then you should question every food source we have. I will not. "

aah well i do question some. & i do buy organic. you should see the organic eggs...there truely *is* a very big difference. it is noticeable. it is like night & day.

fio.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 1:11pm
I don't trust banked milk. I don't trust another's human milk! I've NEVER heard of anyone not being able to give their babies either their milk or some formula that is available. Rare I'd say.

We bank our own blood in case of transfusions.

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