Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)

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Let's get things going here, ladies! (m)
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Wed, 03-26-2003 - 5:01pm
How about a simple discussion to get things moving? (Is there such a thing?)

Smokers - should moms who smoke breastfeed their babies? I'm only referring to cigarettes here, not marijuana or other drugs. Is a bf'er who smokes doing more harm to her baby than good?

Michelle

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 1:20pm
Formula is NOT dangerous...it is a perfectly safe & acceptable alternative to using your breastmilk.

DO you not go out to eat? Do you not run thru McD's drive thru? Do you not go to the ice cream parlor for a sundae?

We dine out 5 of 7 nights a wk (sometimes more) on an average. I'm not worried about the steak,baked potato and rye bread from Outback Steakhouse last night and I'm not worried about the similac advanced formula my new baby will receive for the first 16-18months.

But smoking mother who is breastfeeding is a MAJOR concern, MAJOR!!!!! You will not convince me otherwise after reading AMA info this week and having actually talked to oncologists about the effects...including how exposure is dangerous from where it sticks to stuff in the house.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 1:25pm
I don't understand your stance here Fio. Why would you be so "hard-pressed"??

Formula, like other complete nutritional drinks.....are just that....*complete*. Did you know that formula is the most scrutinized product by the FDA??


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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 1:29pm
I'm with you on the eggs, my dear. I saw a show about chicken/egg farms.....and it was utterly disgusting. I couldn't believe it. I lost my desire for eggs and chicken for a few months. I now only buy cage-free eggs. Organic chicken is a little hard to come by....and pricey.....but I am on my way;)


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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:04pm
It is a matter of opinion obviously.

"Formula is NOT dangerous...it is a perfectly safe & acceptable alternative to using your breastmilk."

I disagree. I see it as dangerous. As long as there is another option (which sometimes there is...either EBM, or banked milk). If there is NO other option then I see it as a necessary evil in some circumstances.

"DO you not go out to eat? Do you not run thru McD's drive thru? Do you not go to the ice cream parlor for a sundae?"

Yes, yes, and no. Don't eat dairy. :-) Yes, I go out to eat. I do not see a meal out as the same thing as giving formula. Not at ALL.

I rather see it more like a difference between homemade cookies and a box of the driest cheapest store-bought cookies possible.

"But smoking mother who is breastfeeding is a MAJOR concern, MAJOR!!!!! You will not convince me otherwise after reading AMA info this week and having actually talked to oncologists about the effects...including how exposure is dangerous from where it sticks to stuff in the house. "

A smoking MOTHER is a concern, PERIOD. I maintain that I believe there is more GOOD in the human milk that she will give her baby, than bad. And that the good stuff, like the antibodies, will help heal the damage caused by the niccotine and other additives in cig. smoke. Unlike formula, which has no antibodies.

JMHO.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:07pm
I buy organic chicken too when money permits. Honestly though, the price difference is much less than I thought it would be. An organic chicken LOOKS tiny. But I get as much chicken off an 18$ organic chicken as I would off a HUGE non-organic chicken, and much less fat (and given that toxins are stored in fat, this is important to me!).

The eggs...the shells are harder; I really have to WHACK them hard to break them. The yolks are firmer (harder to pierce) and darker, so obviously more full of vitamins/minerals due to their colour. The shells have no translucent bits to them and very little "pitting" (you know where some shells have little bumps all over them).

Fio.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:09pm
It IS very rare that a child doesn't tolerate all formulae, but I *have* met two people like this, whose children did NOT tolerate ANY formula. All the hypoallergenic ones had been tried, even the one that is basic amino acids (I think it's called Neocate). The child could NOT take in any formula. It was either the mom's milk or banked milk. The mom had stopped bf, so she ended up giving banked milk. The child survived...and you can bet your bottom dollar she bf her next child! ;-)
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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:12pm
I didn't know it was the most scrutinized. But even so, I still don't trust it. I don't really trust the FDA either, TBH.

When I mean hard pressed...let's say I couldn't bf for some reason. I would look to my friends first for donation, and then try and get a BANK LOAN if I had to, in order to pay for banked milk (@3$/oz), before resorting to formula. The thought squicks me that much.

That's what I mean by hard pressed...I'd have to be in a really tight spot before I'd use it.

JMHO.

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:19pm
Formula is not dangerous!

We will have to agree to disagree and leave the arguement at that.

I'm going out for dinner w/my DH and DS!

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Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:21pm
EXACTLY!!!

Formula is a fine and appropriate nutritional supplement for babies and toddlers (I'll be using for the first 16 to 18 months) and it is not dangerous!

It is one of those silly things anti ffers love to say LOL

I'm going shopping and to dinner w/my DH & DS and *know* FFing is wonderful!

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Sat, 04-05-2003 - 2:22pm
Obviously we see formula in different lights. I see it as a nutritional alternative that is perfectly safe and acceptable to bm.

Agree to disagree because we are getting no where LOL

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