morbidity and "buying out"

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morbidity and "buying out"
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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:30pm
On buying out...what lengths do you think the formula companies go to in order to get MD's and other health care professionals to agree with them and try and sway their patients in the direction of one formula over another?

Here's a link to some of the things that have happened...

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/07/20/formula2/index.html

As for risks and disadvantages and morbidity, are people going to tell me this following article is "scare tactics" again? If so, why? if not, what do you have to say about it?

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/07/19/formula/index.html

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Registered: 05-08-2003
Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:34pm
if my hospital and pediatrician were "bought out" I don't think they'd be recommending and listing off several brands of choice and using postits, notepads, pens from a variety. They'd be using all the same.
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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:36pm
I also don't have any issues with commercialism. Tv ads, print, signs, billboards, posters, postit notes, pens, so on, so on,so on.

Formula companies do advertise & promote their products but so does every other product and service. I depend on this to a point to make proper decisions for myself and my family.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:40pm
Maybe. Maybe they recommend one more than another though.

Did you even have time to read it all? YOu must read fast!

Fio

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:42pm
I don't depend on anyone's advertising to decide on things for my family. I depend on other people's advice, people whom I trust, who I know have no invested interest in what my decision is.

Besides, I think advertising to a mom is totally different from advertising to her MD, someone who may be influential enough to some moms to get them to sway in the direction they want.

Fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:42pm
I don't think they recommend one more than another. Based on other parent's using the same office. Based on other's experiences with other offices. Heck, you can ask some of the peds around here and they will say "oh, similac,enfamil, carnation, parentschoice by walmart"they are all good. Does that sound like a buy out? Our hospital gives you whatever you and/or your ped requests. They don't say we have enfamil and leave it at that.
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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:45pm
I do both but yes, I do depend on commercialism and have no issues w/it at all. Never will. It helps me. I don't mind who they advertise to. If I decide I'll take my peds advice, I will or I will decide I won't. Won't make any difference. I need the advertising IMHO.
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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:46pm
You need to split these up my dear;)


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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:57pm
So, if they advertised they had this really great new thing they were adding to formula, and you believed it, and so did your Ped., you'd use it?

Even if in reality, all they were adding was a teaspoon of some agent so volatile that it wasn't even in the formula any more by the time the can was sealed?

People can advertise pretty much anything they want to...it doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

Fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:59pm
You have to check into the advertising. You have to find out more about what has been advertised. But I did choose a formula with the new additives that were not avail with my first (from birth) formula fed child. But yes, I do depend on commercialism, I do depend on my trusted peds advice. I believe his wife may have ff'd also.
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Sun, 05-11-2003 - 12:04am
"Parents may reasonably ask why, with research demonstrating the many and serious potential health hazards of routine bottle-feeding, do so many otherwise competent doctors continue to take a neutral or even pro-formula stance with their patients?"

Did it ever occur that maybe these PED's disagree?? That the jury is still out because there is NO way to tell whether or not infant formula had a direct correlation to many of the "health hazards" pointed out?? Also, IMO...a DR SHOULD take a neutral stance where formula is concerned.

"45 percent of pediatrician respondents stated that they see formula-feeding and breast-feeding as equally acceptable methods for feeding an infant."

Ok?? That in no way says they believe that formula feeding is "best" just like "breast is best." It ONLY states that they see it as an "acceptable" method of feeding. Which it IS!! Breast is best, but formula feeding is just as acceptable.

"The survey further noted that "nearly equal proportions of pediatricians agree and disagree as to whether formula-fed babies are just as healthy in the long run as breast-fed babies (34 percent vs. 38 percent); 27 percent are undecided." "

This isn't because they're ignorant or stupid. It's because there hasn't been any SIGNIFICANT or ABUNDANT research or data to say otherwise. Stick with the facts!!


"Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the most important factor influencing the effectiveness and accuracy of a doctor's breast-feeding advice to patients was whether the doctor herself, or the doctor's wife, had breast-fed her children."

Another lame argument. What does it matter whether or not my DR or DR's wife bf'd?? Don't I make decisions for myself?? Can't I weigh the *lot* of info from family, friends, DR's, articles and news to make my decision?? Responsibility or "huge"(as stated many times) does NOT fall on the DR.


"Furthermore, reasons given for not recommending breast-feeding include medical conditions such as mastitis, nipple problems, low milk supply, jaundice, and low weight gain, which have recognized therapeutic approaches that generally do not preclude breast-feeding." "

Ok?? So they listed the reasons the MOTHER gave as to quitting bf. It doesn't say that the DR believed this was a valid reason or that the mother could have overcome them. It ONLY states the reason given for stopping. Not that the DR is an idiot and knows nothing about breastfeeding....whether he/she does or not.


""But it takes a great deal more education to do this. It's easy to explain to parents why they should put their baby in a car seat, but human lactation is much more complex.""

This, I agree with.


"Not surprisingly, more than 70 percent of surveyed pediatricians recently reported to the AAP that they recommend a particular brand of infant formula to their patients."

Geez, this article is a complete twist of words!! Where does it say they recommend a certain brand because of GIFTS???? It ONLY states that 70% SURVEYED they recommend a certain brand. It doesn't state they shove it down the throats of parents, nor does it say they get a kickback for doing so. Who cares??


"Despite the WHO Code, virtually all hospitals in the United States offering maternity services"

I don't even want to go here. IMO, this is a vital service and I see little if anything wrong with it. There are many many uneducated women out there where this sort of information is vital. AND....do we really want to get on the "violating WHO code" bandwagon again?????


Also......as far as I remember, the USA is a free country.














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