Nutritionally Complete......

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 10:01am
Here is a link to the Dr. Sears website. It gives great information on formula and its comparison to breastmilk. Even Dr. Sears admits formula is "nutritionally complete" ........ because it's the LAW. However, as we all know it is lacking in many many nutrients that only mom can provide.


"Thriving means more than just getting bigger. It means developing to the child's fullest physical, emotional, and intellectual potential. We just don't know about all the long-term effects of tampering with Mother Nature – though we do know that there are significant health differences between formula-fed and breastfed infants."

This statement bothers me because he assumes that breastmilk is perfect.....which dozens of studies and tests prove otherwise. Breastmilk is filled with more toxins and chemicals than formula. So...how can a child be "thriving" to its fullest potential on it either?? It can't.


http://askdrsears.com/html/0/T000100.asp


christine


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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 11:43am
Christine,

You have brought up this argument before, and I'm sorry, but it makes no sense to me. We are all surrounded by pollutants all around us. We can't escape it- it's the world that we and our babies live in.

There has been study after study after study after study (thousands!) done on the "benefits" of breastmilk. These studies have shown over and over and over that feeding your baby breastmilk is UNEQUIVOCALLY better for your child than any formula could ever be. "Toxins" and all- it's still hands down healthier!

Your argument doesn't hold up at all.

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 11:47am
After reading Dr. Sears description of formula, quite frankly, it is more different from bm than I had thought. And with regards to the differences in the various formulas, is there any research on this? On his website, I get the impression that with regard to some nutrients, what is best is generally not known. It seems there are a lot of unknowns with formula.

Regarding the toxins in bm, I did find this article:

Cognitive Development

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http://www.lalecheleague.org/cbi/biospec.htm#_Toc288454802

Yes, I agree that with a high amount of toxins and low dha, it would not be optimum bm. But it still is leagues ahead of formula. I still think bm is the way to go.

On the other debate board, I did have a thread with another poster regarding dha. Apparently, American women have 1/3 to 1/2 of the levels they should have in their bm. Also, increasing dha levels while pregnant benefit the infant, even if you do not bf. I have recently started eating dha enriched eggs. Of course, dd is two now. If I had known this, I would have done this when I was pregnant. I believe that this information should be made available to women without the fear that it might discourage bf. I really was upset about this when I learned about it. Most of my bf friends could care less. But I think that improving bm information should be there if you are interested.

For anyone interested, eating fish can be dangerous for pregnant and bf women due to the mercury levels. You can increase dha with a pharmaceutical brand of fish oil supplement (the mercury is removed), fish algae supplements (made by Martek, similar to what is put into dha formula), or dha enriched eggs. I found one study that showed that dha levels in bm were increased with all three.

Regarding my post on dha and eyes, there is a section on visual acuity in the link I provided, if you are interested.

Sherry

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 12:26pm
First, I think that this is somewhat outdated since it doesn't mention the new formulas with the added ingredients. And like I said before I don't think that formula or BF alone makes the difference in a child. I think it's a combination of a lot of factors,and formula is perfectly fine. I highly doubt my kids would have turned out different on breastmilk.

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 12:36pm
Yeah, but they haven't "turned out" yet. We can't measure "turned out" until someone's life has been lived and we can see an overall picture of their physical, emotional and spiritual health.

Danielle

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 12:45pm
Sherry....regarding the mercury. If a fish is farm-raised......which MOST if not all salmon is, it is completely safe and should be eaten!! I can understand your fear of tuna, however I ate it like it was going out of style while I was pg.....as well as sushi:)


Did you read the whole link?? It was interesting in that there were a few things I didn't know...and others I seemed to know and he didn't. I now believe that formulas are VASTLY different from each other even within the same class.


christine


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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 12:48pm
Regarding the info on dha in my post, I thought I should post some links:

Here is LLL's stance on dha supplements for bf'ing women (I'm assuming it is the current one):

http://www.lalecheleague.org/llleaderweb/LV/LVOctNov98p102.html

Here is Dr. Sears info on DHA. He recommends that bf'ing women take a fish-algae supplement produced by Martek (same stuff as in the formulas):

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T040900.asp

Sherry

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 12:50pm
Yes...the info is outdated as it doesn't include the new stuff in formula. However, I think the message is the same. I am learning so much while being here it is amazing....with regards to bm and ff. I still hold stead-fast to the belief that formula is perfectly safe and acceptable and wouldn't think twice about giving it to my child......eventhough I would think twice about WHAT formula I would give him/her.


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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 1:22pm


I agree with Dr Sears on a lot of things, but I don't like when he promotes certain products (Martek DHA or armsreach co-sleeper for example). Here is a link on DHA supplemented formula. I would consider it experimental.

http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/DHA-formula-comments.html

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 1:22pm
But once they have "turned out," how can anyone possibly say that it was lack of breastmilk that caused X, Y, or Z? With so many factors that impact us every day throughout our lives, how can anyone know that breastmilk had any significant impact? I'm of the belief that genetics and diet/lifestyle over a lifetime play a *much* larger role.

~Kim

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Wed, 05-21-2003 - 1:48pm
"With so many factors that impact us every day throughout our lives, how can anyone know that breastmilk had any significant impact?"

Well, once again the subject of epidemiology- you can control for many variables. For example you can compare the breastfed babies of women who are white, have 4-year degrees, have family income of $60,000-$80,000, live in the midwest and don't eat fruit loops with formula fed babies of women who are white, have 4-year degrees, have family income of $60,000-$80,000 , live in the midwest and don't eat fruit loops. Nobody has ever answered my question I've posed on this board as to why epidemiological methods are adequate for proving the health benefits of most lifestyle choices except for breastfeeding.

"I'm of the belief that genetics and diet/lifestyle over a lifetime play a *much* larger role."

I do agree that genetics and diet/lifestyle are important factors. As a matter of fact you could probably negate the benefits of breastfeeding with a super crappy diet/lifestyle. But infancy is a time for building a strong physical and emotional foundation. You may be able to go back and repair the cracks in a foundation, but on the other hand you may never be able to get over a faulty foundation.

Danielle

P.S. Would someone *please* answer my question about epidemiology?

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