Posting photos of nursing babies online

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Posting photos of nursing babies online
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Wed, 09-05-2007 - 10:52am

On another board, a poster has a long siggy that includes a slideshow of nursing babies from her playgroup. Another poster took offense at it and there has been quite the debate over the appropriateness of the siggy. I posted a message inviting people here to discuss that issue, and I hope that one of the posters from that particular playgroup comes here, at least so we can see what the siggy looks like. I'm having a hard time forming coherent thoughts today, LOL! So don't worry if I don't come back to debate the issue with you, I'm trying to get out of the office so I can go home & sleep.


As "Linda Richmond" (aka Mike Myers) from SNL would say, "talk amongst yourselves."

Mary


Mom to Kevin 11/04/2003


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Registered: 08-30-2004
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 12:10pm

There's a cio blinkie!? There's a reason I don't read those things....
CIO and happy generally aren't compatible emotions. Crying usually means unhappy.


You said it sistah!

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Registered: 06-04-2004
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 12:10pm

We gave Liam vitamin D when he was a young infant because we lived in Northern NY at the time, and he was a fall baby. I was also on bedrest til he was 2 months old, and I was not able to take him for walks. By the time I got off BR, there was snow on the ground and we didn't make it out in the sun much at all until he was about 6 months old.

We did also give him iron supplements from 12-18 months. His levels were extremely low, to the point that they suspected Thalassemia, a genetic blood disorder that can mimic severe anemia. Liam was a TERRIBLE eater back then, and I really believe it was his diet that caused the anemia. His pediatrician was really concerned about it and I gave him the iron as a result. His levels did improve when he started eating better, around 18 months, and we stopped the iron ASAP.

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Registered: 08-30-2004
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 12:13pm

The "experts" on Bfing are full of bunk, and the formula companies spout their fair share of it too.


I'm just curious which of the information the BF experts you consider 'bunk'. I'm serious...really no rancor or arguing. Its an interesting comment and I really am interested in what, and perhaps even why, you feel the information is not accurate or real or, whatever it is you consider.

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Registered: 07-10-2003
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 12:18pm

The "experts" on Bfing are full of bunk, and the formula companies spout their fair share of it too. Mom to mom discussions are impeded by one side trying to support their own agenda and superiority complexes.


I'll be honest, this

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Registered: 12-19-2006
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 1:12pm

"Its just interesting to me that you consider the board 'biased' simply because you're in the minority opinion. "


Isn't that exactly what bias is? When one side heavily outweighs the other?


"As an aside, I think it might be useful to take a step back and consider why people can be so passionate about an argument.

 

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Registered: 12-19-2006
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 1:35pm

"The AAP and WHO are "full of bunk"? If that were truely the case, we'd be in trouble. "


The AAP in particular. They can't make up their minds as to what the real "risk" of formula really is. They were behind the effort to water down the breastfeeding ads because they disagreed with the outrageous claims the ad agency was making. They said that the info in the ad, that babies were more likely to die, to have leukemia, etc had no scientific proof, yet one of the team of doctors disagreed and said that there WAS proof. So who is right?

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 1:40pm

"finding unbiased info about this very controversial subject is nigh on impossible. The "experts" on Bfing are full of bunk, and the formula companies spout their fair share of it too."

So go outside the breastfeeding experts and the formula companies. And mom's opinions (which will all be very biased towards what THEY did themselves).

What do the experts in infant nutrition say? I've asked before and you have smartly avoided it, but I'll ask you directly again and I challenge you to answer.

Do you consider the American Academy of Pediatrics BIASED when it comes to information on infant and child care?

Do you consider the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention BIASED?

What about Health Canada?

Your particular province or state's Health department?

Do you even know what any of these unbiased, independent health authorities has to say about what an infant should be fed for the first year of their life?

I can understand you finding infant feeding information from the LLL "biased". It's supposed to be, really. But a statement from the formula company stating the same thing, that babies should be breastfed if at all possible is also bunk. Very interesting.

Cathie

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Registered: 04-05-2003
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 1:49pm

Infant mortality rates have steadily declined since the turn of the last century. The empirical evidence says that formula is harmless. "

Do you know where the US falls on the list of infant mortality of industrialized countries? Check out the infant mortality rates of countries with really high bfing rates.

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Registered: 03-25-2003
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 1:56pm

I had to chuckle through the hundreds of posts on "freedom of expression" regarding the pictures of nursing babies online. I didn't post about it, but I will now, because I just looked through your siggy after someone drew my attention to it (I usually don't linger over them too long).

My opinion is, if you put it out there, expect that you may have to "defend" it. If you have the right to put it up, someone has the right to comment.

You seem to take great pride in doing all the things you shouldn't with your baby. Is it because you believe these things are better for you, your baby or your family - or are they because you did them and make no apologies for it? Or are you putting them there to thunb your nose at who you know to be the majority here to elicit a response from them.

Are you really PROUD of these choices? If you are, I'd love to hear why, exactly.

It would appear that your blinkies show alot more compassion for your cat. Is that the reaction you expected?

FWIW, I did Freber sleep training with my son and felt it was a godsend at the time. We tried everything and this actually resulted in him crying LESS overall. I will defend my use of it with him, but I do wish it didn't come to that. I do feel that although it solved his sleep problem, it caused harm in other ways; primarily separation anxiety which is still evident eight years later.

I also made some of those other parenting choices that are so prominently displayed in your siggy, and while I make no apologies for them, I'd hardly set any of them as a goal or advertise any of them as what I'm about. So I take it that these ARE what you are about?

Cathie

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Registered: 06-04-2004
Sat, 09-08-2007 - 1:58pm

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Can you provide a link to an article that shows this to be true? I don't remember this being the case. I believe it was more that the commercials and ads were mostly relying on scare-tactics, which is not always the best way to reach large segments of the population. I don't recall the AAP calling the ads "outrageous", nor do I remember them saying they "disagreed" with the basic message, which was that NOT BF your baby puts him or her at risk.

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Well, there is proof. Babies who are FF are 5 times more likely to die of SIDS than BF babies. That one should be commonly-accepted knowledge among the pediatric community, even if they don't "talk the talk", so to speak.

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http://www.mercola.com/2003/dec/24/formula_influence.htm

As for leukemia, we can refer back to YOUR old friend Dr. Greene of pacifier fame (remember him?). He says:

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http://www.drgreene.com/21_223.html

Of course there are countless other sources that show the increased risk of all kinds of illnesses in FF babies, such as diabetes, obestity, allergies, other cancers, etc. I think a key concept to understand here is that as a body, the AAP does support BF and has specific guidelines it would like to see women following. When breastmilk is available, it is the premier infant feeding substance, and I doubt any pediatrician will deny that.

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