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| Wed, 09-05-2007 - 10:52am |
On another board, a poster has a long siggy that includes a slideshow of nursing babies from her playgroup. Another poster took offense at it and there has been quite the debate over the appropriateness of the siggy. I posted a message inviting people here to discuss that issue, and I hope that one of the posters from that particular playgroup comes here, at least so we can see what the siggy looks like. I'm having a hard time forming coherent thoughts today, LOL! So don't worry if I don't come back to debate the issue with you, I'm trying to get out of the office so I can go home & sleep.
As "Linda Richmond" (aka Mike Myers) from SNL would say, "talk amongst yourselves."
Mary
Mom to Kevin 11/04/2003
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"tend to stick to tried and true, common sense methods. I don't buy into New Age parenting philosophies any more than I buy into all the claims that formula kills."
Actually, AP is the natural, older method for raising children, it just now has a name.
For your CIO blinky, please read this article found on the AP board.
Elissa
Children Need Touching and Attention, Harvard Researchers Say
By Alvin Powell
Contributing Writer
America's "let them cry" attitude toward children may lead to more
fears and tears among adults, according to two Harvard Medical School
researchers.
Instead of letting infants cry, American parents should keep their
babies close, console them when they cry, and bring them to bed with
them, where they'll feel safe, according to Michael L. Commons and
Patrice M. Miller, researchers at the Medical School's Department of
Psychiatry.
The pair examined childrearing practices here and in other cultures
and say the widespread American practice of putting babies in separate
beds -- even separate rooms -- and not responding quickly to their
cries may lead to incidents of post-traumatic stress and panic
disorders when these children reach adulthood.
The early stress resulting from separation causes changes in infant
brains that makes future adults more susceptible to stress in their
lives, say Commons and Miller.
"Parents should recognize that having their babies cry unnecessarily
harms the baby permanently, " Commons said. "It changes the nervous
system so they're overly sensitive to future trauma."
The Harvard researchers' work is unique because it takes a
cross-disciplinary approach, examining brain function, emotional
learning in infants, and cultural differences, according to Charles R.
Figley, director of the Traumatology Institute at Florida State
University and editor of The Journal of Traumatology.
"It is very unusual but extremely important to find this kind of
interdisciplinary and multidisciplinary research report," Figley said.
"It accounts for cross-cultural differences in children's emotional
response and their ability to cope with stress, including traumatic
stress."
Figley said Commons and Miller's work illuminates a route of further
study and could have implications for everything from parents' efforts
to intellectually stimulate infants to practices such as circumcision.
Commons has been a lecturer and research associate at the Medical
School's Department of Psychiatry since 1987 and is a member of the
Department's Program in Psychiatry and the Law.
Miller has been a research associate at the School's Program in
Psychiatry and the Law since 1994 and an assistant professor of
psychology at Salem State College since 1993. She received master's
and doctorate degrees in human development from the Graduate School of
Education.
The pair say that American childrearing practices are influenced by
fears that children will grow up dependent. But they say that parents
are on the wrong track: physical contact and reassurance will make
children more secure and better able to form adult relationships when
they finally head out on their own.
"We've stressed independence so much that it's having some very
negative side effects," Miller said.
The two gained the spotlight in February when they presented their
ideas at the American Association for the Advancement of Science's
annual meeting in Philadelphia.
Commons and Miller, using data Miller had worked on that was compiled
by Robert A. LeVine, Roy Edward Larsen Professor of Education and
Human Development, contrasted American childrearing practices with
those of other cultures, particularly the Gusii people of Kenya. Gusii
mothers sleep with their babies and respond rapidly when the baby cries.
"Gusii mothers watching videotapes of U.S. mothers were upset by how
long it took these mothers to respond to infant crying," Commons and
Miller said in their paper on the subject.
The way we are brought up colors our entire society, Commons and
Miller say. Americans in general don't like to be touched and pride
themselves on independence to the point of isolation, even when
undergoing a difficult or stressful time.
Despite the conventional wisdom that babies should learn to be alone,
Miller said she believes many parents "cheat," keeping the baby in the
room with them, at least initially. In addition, once the child can
crawl around, she believes many find their way into their parents'
room on their own.
American parents shouldn't worry about this behavior or be afraid to
baby their babies, Commons and Miller said. Parents should feel free
to sleep with their infant children, to keep their toddlers nearby,
perhaps on a mattress in the same room, and to comfort a baby when it
cries.
"There are ways to grow up and be independent without putting babies
through this trauma," Commons said. "My advice is to keep the kids
secure so they can grow up and take some risks."
Besides fears of dependence, the pair said other factors have helped
form our childrearing practices, including fears that children would
interfere with sex if they shared their parents' room and doctors'
concerns that a baby would be injured by a parent rolling on it if the
parent and baby shared the bed. Additionally, the nation's growing
wealth has helped the trend toward separation by giving families the
means to buy larger homes with separate rooms for children.
The result, Commons and Miller said, is a nation that doesn't like
caring for its own children, a violent nation marked by loose,
nonphysical relationships.
"I think there's a real resistance in this culture to caring for
children," Commons said. But "punishment and abandonment has never
been a good way to get warm, caring, independent people."
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"Why were you reading the archives?"
Why not? The last couple of weeks the board has been boring, so I looked up more interesting topics in the archives.
Also here is the link you requested, about the AAP. It comes roundabout in a clip from 20/20's "Milk Money"
http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/media/2020.htm
"The result, Commons and Miller said, is a nation that doesn't like
caring for its own children, a violent nation marked by loose,
nonphysical relationships.
"I think there's a real resistance in this culture to caring for
children," Commons said. But "punishment and abandonment has never
been a good way to get warm, caring, independent people."
Well, we (as a nation) do not value children. And we have lots and lots of medicated adults. A lot!
Debbie
"The result, Commons and Miller said, is a nation that doesn't like
caring for its own children, a violent nation marked by loose,
nonphysical relationships.'
Ri-i-i-g-h-t.....and that has nothing to do with violence on TV, violent toys and violence in real life. All those poor violent, non-physical people just didn't get enough hugs and cuddles. @@
I can't see the video for some reason. I was just thinking you must have a pretty big interest in this topic to go to the archives. I don't think I've ever read the archives, at least in the last few years. It's pretty much same debate, different day!
Debbie
"Do you even know what any of these unbiased, independent health authorities has to say about what an infant should be fed for the first year of their life?"
You know as well as I do that they all recommend BM for the first 6 months...and I agree, when it is feasible. BUT they also say "If an infant is not exclusively or is partially breastfed, then commercial formulas are the most acceptable alternative to breast milk."(link won't work for some reason, that quote can be found under "Nutrition for healthy term infants on the Health Canada site) They DO NOT site any "risks"or dangers
Um, I believe you are missing the point of the clip.
I want to illustrate this further with a hermit crab story. Dh boutght my ds8 a hermit crab in May. I didn't know anything about hermit crabs and I didn't really want one. We had some goldfish and that is about as much pet as I want to handle. Of course, care of the hermit crab fell to me. The thing is in my care and I want him to be happy, so I read about crabs....what they need, how they live, their problems etc. Then I make sure he has the things he needs for a good hermit crab life. I do them even when I don't want to and let's face it, it's a glorified bug LOL! I do have a point of the story, and it's that anything in my care gets the best I can provide. Every life deserves that. There are recommendations for crabs and there are recommendations for children.
Debbie
The archives contain POVs from different people, many of which no longer post, and there were some very interesting, and heated debates that I enjoyed reading.
The video plays on Quicktime, maybe that is why it won't work for you?
"Ri-i-i-g-h-t.....and that has nothing to do with violence on TV, violent toys and violence in real life. All those poor violent, non-physical people just didn't get enough hugs and cuddles. @@"
What's driving our violent society then? Are we so naive to believe that entertainment is making us more violent? Aren't we making entertainment more violent, and not the other way around?
Elissa
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