Sexuality of the breast

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Sexuality of the breast
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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 2:05pm
Is the breast a sexual organ?

Here is an article for a jumping off point:

http://www.007b.com/breast_obsession.php

Happy debating!

Danielle

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 3:16pm
No, I don't think that breasts are sexual. I think our culture sees them that way. And I think it does affect bf'ing rates.

Regarding the last paragraph in the article:

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I agree with the first sentence. But regarding the second sentence, if every woman in America bf, we would still have pornography, sexual crime and abuse. Women in Islamic countries are required to bf and they seem to be treated worse than women in any other country.

Here's something I found pretty funny - it's taken from a transcript from a tv show:

Carolyn Latteier

Author

…but in many cultures, breasts aren't sexual at all. I interviewed a young anthropologist working with women in Mali, in a country in Africa where women go around with bare breasts. They're always feeding their babies. And when she told them that in our culture men are fascinated with breasts there was an instant of shock. The women burst out laughing. They laughed so hard, they fell on the floor. They said, "You mean, men act like babies?"

http://www.newshe.com/allaboutbreasts1.shtml

Sherry

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 5:28pm
No, it's not. No more than feet, earlobes, hands, and ankles are.

All of the above listed are used for sexual foreplay and during sexual acts in other parts of the world. In some parts of the world feet are considered extremely erotic. Earlobes are often touted as being erotic. HANDS for cripe's sake, are used for MASTURBATION by many a person and yet are not considered sexual organs despite that fact!

And as for so-called erectile tissue?

Yeah...breasts contain some. But any man will tell you that their portion of erectile tissue all but disappears in the presence of cold. ;-) Not so for nipple tissue, which stands out more, much like the hair folicles on someone's arms if they have the shivvers (goose flesh). So it's not at ALL the same kind of erectile tissue.

nipples also, contrary to popular belief, do not have more nerve endings per square inch than many parts of the body. fingertips, for instance, have far more nerve endings, & yet we don't assume they are sexual organs per se! Yes, we use them for foreplay, but that doesn't automatically turn them into sexual organs!

Breasts have *become* body parts that are associated with sex in western culture, but many other cultures express absolute horror and disgust at the very idea of such a use for breasts, just as many a westernized person has expressed disgust in the past at the "art" of foot binding, done for so long in China.

It's like food, it's an "aquired" taste. Most of us here in N. America don't eat grubs. ;-) Some cultures that do, would perhaps find our pizza disgusting. The French who eat frogs' legs may well gag on grits. ;-)

we can change society's attitude in the long run, with a bit of work, though.

fio nak

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 8:21pm
You know.....I don't get this. So the heck what?? So breast are seen as sexual objects in the Western culture. And?? Your point?? As others have pointed out...there are other body parts seen as sexual objects. So?? So HERE....it's breasts.

Oh.....and to Fio....I happen to view men's hands as sexual objects. There are certain qualities I see that....."turn me on."


christine


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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 10:35pm
I don't mind people seeing hands, or any other part of the body as sexual objects...what I object to, is people then giving that for a reason that people shouldn't NIP.

No one ever said that men had to wear gloves all the time, did they? OK, perhaps a few hundred years ago...maybe. ;-) (NB my history of clothing isn't up to date...I know there were times when women wore gloves often, but dunno abt. men)

Really...I totally understand why one person would get turned on by hands, another by...teeth, whatever. ;-) But we don't have to smile with a closed mouth, wear closed shoes (rather than sandals), wear earmuffs, etc., just to pacify the people who view those parts of the body as other than what they were intended for.

Yes, they can have a function during sexual intercourse and/or foreplay, but that is not their MAIN function, and for some reason, people are able to get past that and see them for what they are (teeth, for chewing, hands, useful for grasping things, holding things...ears useful for hearing...feet, for walking, etc.), whereas people have this great big hang-up about breasts. Not necessarily YOU Christine, but the western world in general.

It's a SAD thing that a woman can go topless on beaches in France, and yet gets pestered to cover up on the same beaches if she's nursing her child there! I mean really...what's the big deal if there are already so many topless women there??? The mind boggles, truely!

So when you say "so what"...I say it's a big problem to the people whose babies need feeding, who don't want to have to live the life of a recluse spider. Even going back to the hands, people can get really turned on just playing hand games with a partner, but I've never yet seen people tell others to "please leave this place" b/c they were holding hands and stroking hands. It's not seen as "sexual" in the same way, b/c you're not bareing some "taboo" body part. :-(

Fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 10:42pm
I think that sometimes people get mixed up between "sexual objects" and "sexual organs".

A sexual object can be any part of the body you make it to be. Some people like the breasts, inner thighs, big toe, navel...you name it. Other people prefer other body parts. Each person defines his own fetish. ;-)

But a sexual *organ* is one that is used exclusively for having sex, for reproducing more of the species. Therefore, sexual *organs* are limited to penis and vulva AFAICS.

Fio.

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:00pm
That latch has GOT to hurt! lol

Sheesh! Who taught THAT kid (& mom!) to bf. You know, i am ALL for ANYone to bf in publilc, & for pics of babes nursing to be published & available ... but i feel that this pic is MEANT to "piss people off", or "turn people off", or cause not-so-great-feelings. Why? B/C it is so blatant. NOT that i dont think blatant is ok either, but the way this kid is not even REALLY latched on, he is pulling at her nipple, looks BORED for God sakes & cant REALLY be nursing (or not WELL at least!) --- It just makes me mad that they are portraying bf w/ THAT pic ... ESPECIALLY since just today, we are SO proud b/c our hometown newspaper just published a pic of a mom breastfeeding, ON THE FORNT PAGE! WHoo Hoo!!! (it is an article about bf & our units bf support group). I have to post the link here. & THIS pic, is THE pic that they shold use for promoting breastfeeding, or this type of pic. NOT b/c it doesnt show the breast very much (if at all), but b/c it shows a comfy baby & a loving relationship. & i think those people out there who may already be uncomfrotable w/ nursing, or NIP, would be WAY more likely to be willing to think more positively about this type of pic as oppossed to that one! http://newportdailynews.com/display/inn_news/NEWS1.TXT

& you knwo what? I never even read the article! Now that i think abotu it. I will go back & do that as soon as i can. R~

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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:06pm
OK, i take back some of what i said, i LOVE the page w/ the newborn nursing pics! & i am just way too tired right now to read it all! lol R~ (who actually thinks that kiddo on the 1st page w/ the bad latch IS a cutie! lol) --- plus, i have to go clean up dog vomit for the THIRD time tonite ... ugh. :(
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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:21pm
It's not a "sad" thing, Fio......it's OUR CULTURE!!

This argument has no merit IMO. Every culture is unique. I DO see breasts as sexual objects.


christine


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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:22pm
A penis isn't used exclusively for sex. It's not a sexual organ then according to your definition.


christine


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Sat, 05-10-2003 - 11:23pm
Bravo, well stated.

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