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Registered: 09-01-2002
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Sat, 03-09-2013 - 10:04am

Yet another mother who tried desperately to breastfeed, had troubles and eventually quit.  Twice ~ with her first child and again with her second child.  Is anyone in a position to say yet again this is another mom who didn't try hard enough, and we know better?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/the-purple-fig/women-struggling-to-breastfeed_b_2820088.html ("Breastfeeding Sucks")

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Sat, 03-09-2013 - 5:11pm

Who sets the rules about how hard a mother needs to try to breastfeed? I am not familiar with any source that claims to know better than a mother when she has tried hard enough. Please share. Why do you say "yet again"?I've seen a lot posted on this board, but I don't remember any links to the rules about hard mothers need to try in order for it to be enough.  Please share your sources. I'm not sure what you mean by "we know better"? Who knows what better than whom? Are you alleging that some people claim to know whether or not a mother has tried "enough"? Or are you saying that some people claim to know more about breastfeeding and effective milk production than others? Do you believe that there are people who know more about breastfeeding management than others?

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Registered: 09-01-2002
Sun, 03-10-2013 - 4:43pm

Source:  Militant breastfeeders.  This board.  Articles like these from below on this board (parentsoup): http://www.parentdish.com/2011/07/29/when-new-mom-cant-breast-feed-dozens-of-women-help-out/ (when new mom can't breastfeed, dozens of women help out).

nispulla wrote:
Or are you saying that some people claim to know more about breastfeeding and effective milk production than others?

Absolutely.  Otherwise there would be NO debate.

nisupulla wrote:
  Do you believe that there are people who know more about breastfeeding management than others?
 

I'm sure the average male knows little.  Beyond a little reading and perhaps assistance from hospital staff, it's not a big deal. 

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Registered: 09-01-2002
Sun, 03-10-2013 - 4:48pm

Nisupulla, I've answer yours.  If you've read the link, answer this: did mom try hard enough to breastfeed?  She switched to formula WHILE STILL IN the hospital.

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Registered: 01-08-2009
Sun, 03-10-2013 - 5:16pm
I think the whole story's a bit bizarre, but its her breasts and her baby.
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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 7:49am

We seem to disagree about whether or not breastfeeding is a straight forward task that anyone can figure out or whether it is more like riding a bike - at the beginning it requires some knowledge and support.

Without the necessary knowledge and support many mothers will not breastfeed. Do I believe that the average postpartum nurse has been adequately trained in breastfeeding management? NO.

If a mom says that she did everything the nurse suggested, will I think that is enough? No. I don't think the average nurse knows the necessary information. It has nothing to do with the mom and/or how "hard" she tried or didn't try. It has to do with the mom not having access to breastfeeding support.

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 7:51am
I agree. It's her breasts and her baby.
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Registered: 09-01-2002
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 2:42pm

nisupulla wrote:
<p>We seem to disagree about whether or not breastfeeding is a straight forward task that anyone can figure out or whether it is more like riding a bike - at the beginning it requires some knowledge and support.</p><p>Without the necessary knowledge and support many mothers will not breastfeed. Do I believe that the average postpartum nurse has been adequately trained in breastfeeding management? NO.</p><p>If a mom says that she did everything the nurse suggested, will I think that is enough?

The article was clear that the new mom got plenty of support in the hospital.  So much so, that she and another new mom felt they better HIDE their bottles of formula.  It's a sad comment that their first experience with their newborns was to hide from breastfeeding propaganda.

nisupulla wrote:
No. I don't think the average nurse knows the necessary information. It has nothing to do with the mom and/or how "hard" she tried or didn't try. It has to do with the mom not having access to breastfeeding support.

The average new mom in Africa faced with breastfeeding or with foamy water the color brown, tainted with feces and toxins, quickly picks up on breastfeeing without a college degreed man or woman who went on to what you would consider adequate, not inadequate?, "training in breastfeeding management."

Women should be given free will and not have to hide bottles of formula in the hospital.

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 3:46pm

[quote=thardy2001]<p>The article was clear that the new mom got plenty of support in the hospital.  So much so, that she and another new mom felt they better HIDE their bottles of formula.</p>

That does not even make sense. How can a mom get support AND feel like she can not freely feed her baby??

The article as written makes it quite clear that she did not get the information and support that she needed. She claims that no medical professional was able to tell her in clear terms why breastfeeding is better than formula.

In fact, her pediatrician told her that breastfeeding doesn't really matter, "Just so you know, there are discrepancies about the scientific evidence that breast milk will, for example, produce a smarter baby or prevent Cancer, or that a formula-fed baby will have a weaker immune system."

Besides quoting the pediatatrian's faulty opinion, the article is filled with many inaccuracies about breastfeeding that other moms may read and believe. It is unfortunate that the Huffington Post published it.

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Registered: 12-16-2004
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 5:14pm

I am utterly happy I live in a country where we arent allowed to leave hospital until we  have one sucessful nursing or  found out why we cant.  Formula isnt a choice here, it is the last option.

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 03-11-2013 - 5:40pm

misstrygg wrote:
<p>I am utterly happy I live in a country where we arent allowed to leave hospital until we  have one sucessful nursing or  found out why we cant. </p>

ITA

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