What SHOULD go into the decision (m)

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What SHOULD go into the decision (m)
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Tue, 01-01-2008 - 6:33pm

OK, I don't think anyone really denies that it is ultimately every mom's decision.

Cathie

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 9:38pm

"it is ludicrous to think that a study can isolate FFing as the sole difference in all the babies involved."


Well incase you didn't know that IS what scientific studies DO.

Andi


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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 9:49pm

>> "OK...this is why some people may refer to you in the negative way as militant. "

And in them doing so, their posts get removed for violating TOS, gee... funny that...<<

Also funny that the offending words get used more towards some than others on this board when most of the ladies here have the same exact argument....it may be in the way that the argument is presented, you think?

I think a fair comparison between bm and formula would be more of bm being a meal with all organic food containing all of the food groups and everything is cooked up fresh, where formula would be non-organic food containing all of the food groups, but a couple of the side dishes are processed and microwaved. Both are still providing adequate nutrition and vitamins, however one exceeds the other. Sure beats a liquified big mack. Can we agree that this is the better comparison.

>>formula is not a good diet.<<
OK...in what context. I work with many adults who have been on formula for their entire lives and when taken to the doctor all of their levels are fine. Formula is a nutritionally sound diet that can sustain life throughout the life of an individual. Is it the optimal situation, of course not, but there are times when there are not other options. So if we are saying that formula is not a good diet we would really need more context. Formula is nutritionally sound enough to support life from infancy through adulthood. I would say that formula is a suboptimal diet, but poor no. The connotation that comes along with the poor is as negative as the word bad. I cannot call something that can sustain life in the way that formula can either a poor or bad diet, but suboptimal I will agree with.

I will let go of the McDonald's thing, just those types of off the wall assertions are so ridiculous that they turn me off from reading further into the argument and learning from any useful information that you present.

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 9:55pm

>>just b/c babies are FF, they are in some way mentally and physically inferior to babies who are BF.<<

Any individual FF baby can be better mentally and physically to individual BFed babies - but on the whole large groups of FFed babies come out lower mentally and physically to BF. That is what the studies show and all the studies show.

Statistically, males are better at math than females. (Two large groups) But I am able to outscore nearly all males in math, and I am female. Both statements are true, KWIM?

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 9:58pm

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Great point. I'm willing to bet a large number of people who find flaws in all these thousands of studies that say the same thing (ie, formula has risks) heed the advice of the "back to sleep" campaign.

Wonder why those studies are legit? Afterall, aren't there "unknowns" among SIDS babies which can't possible be accounted for...?

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 10:30pm

"Also funny that the offending words get used more towards some than others on this board when most of the ladies here have the same exact argument....it may be in the way that the argument is presented, you think?"


Only one person has ever referred to me with that term, actually.

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Registered: 07-12-2006
Thu, 01-10-2008 - 10:37pm

Did I say I was referring to anyone who posts on this board?


I didn't say that you did.

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 10:38pm

"read carefully =)"


Excellent advice :)

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 10:41pm

Please do not back pedal, as we can all tell that you were referring to formula


I've never had to infer ANYTHING from Toni's posts.

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 10:44pm

<<<"Both are still providing adequate nutrition and vitamins, however one exceeds the other. "

I disagree. I think one is the holy grail, but the other is normal. A better example perhaps is bm is like chicken (regular, not organic), brown rice, and frozen broccoli that has been steamed. Just a typical dinner. No superlatives. Nothing to gossip about. Formula would be like a TV dinner - highly processed, stuff you don't need, missing stuff you do need, but it will sustain you.>>>

I really like this analogy. You girls and your analogies...you need to have an analogy tutorial on that new board you're making. ;O)

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Thu, 01-10-2008 - 10:53pm

>>Only one person has ever referred to me with that term, actually. And I said nothing any harsher than anyone else up to that point. Of course some women will be called that more. Some women are more direct in their posts. And some people are whinier than others too. Maybe it's in the way they read stuff into posts that isn't written, you think?<<

I wasn't inferring you directly with that comment, more the I am right and this is the way it is no room for questions or comments type of debating, which isn't really debating at all. I have seen the negative comments directed at those who tend to "debate" that way.

>>But suboptimal doesn't have a negative connotation? And really, I disagree with suboptimal. Substandard is the term I prefer. Suboptimal suggests that bfing is 'optimal', best, ideal, has benefits, but isn't really *necessary*. I don't agree with that.<<

OK...I can get behind substandard nutrition, but not poor or bad.

>>But McD's can sustain life the way formula can. You don't have to eat nothing but bigmacs and fries ya know. They do have salads and fruit. McD's is substandard, but you could be kept alive, and reasonably healthy...<<

I disagree...have you seen supersize me. Living off mcdonalds alone....so not adequate for sustaining life! What I meant by fine for the people that I know who live off formula is that all of their levels are in the normal range. I am not a doctor nor do a play one on TV, but I read their reports and nutritionally not one person I work with is lacking any nutrients in their nutritional lab work.

And with the semantics again...I will change the word assertion to comment in the future.

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