What's your thought on this?

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What's your thought on this?
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Sun, 08-31-2003 - 9:34am
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/112/3/e177?etoc

Mine is, for starters, that the likes of Michael B. Montalto, PhD*, Robin Halter, MA*, Wenzi Qiu, PhD*, Joan R. Jacobs, MA* should not be allowed to participate in such a study...given their affiliation.

Fio.

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Sun, 08-31-2003 - 9:57am
No news to me, Fio. What differences there were at under 12months of age or so....is non-existent at 3-5yrs old. I tell people on my bottlefeeding board(if they ask about it) not to waste their money on the new DHA/ARA formulas.

My opinion regarding bfing is as I have posted in the past. Breastfeeding gives infants a headstart in life. But, after a few years.....their non-bf'd counterparts have caught up.


christine


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Sun, 08-31-2003 - 2:02pm
I do understand where you're coming from with your comment about the Ross doctors, but I am wondering, do you feel that their participation in the study makes the findings meaningless for you? In other words, do you feel that, as 5 out of the 15 participating medical professionals in this study work for a formula company, they have somehow skewed the methods or the results in favor of their employer's product? Or do you think it's possible that, as medical professionals who also help provide nutrition for a vast number of infants, they have an honest interest in the true outcome of the study, regardless of what it indicates? What about the other 2/3 of the doctors who've participated? (Not speaking of taking this study as proof of anything overall, BTW, just wondering whether you dismiss it entirely as a single study because of the Ross affiliation.)

FTR, I agree completely with Christine's comments above about the findings.

~Kim

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Mon, 09-01-2003 - 7:41pm
not questioning validity or a dr's interest.

my guess, is that if it weren't for ross labs participation, this study probably wouldn't even exist.

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Mon, 09-01-2003 - 8:33pm
I feel it is entirely possible that some shady goings-on happen when people with 'vested interest participate in something.

I must say I was appalled when I learned that Dr. Paul Offit was amongst those who was allowed to permit the Rotavirus vaccine to be released, despite being someone who was a major shareholder in the company and therefore going to profit from its being out there (this vaccine was later recalled due to problems, which had been known about, but had been kept hush-hushed by the powers that be).

I think that ppl who could gain something from things being one way or another should not be allowed to have any goings on with a study, or with the release of a new drug, or something that could drastically affect our general health.

Fio.

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Tue, 09-02-2003 - 4:08pm
I'd put money on the fact that the research was almost completely driven by the need for research to back up an advertising claim the formula companies want to make. (Having been in the ad business)

Also, and I'm not a statistician, but their sample size looks too small to be reliable. I think you typically need at least n=100 for each subsample. By reliable, I mean that the higher the sample, the more likely you'd see the same results if the research was duplicated. The smaller the sample, the more likely you'd see completely differnent results if this test was done again. When I used to analyze research, we were always cautious with sample sizes less than 100.

On a somewhat related note...do you find on this board that the benefits of BF tend to be seen from a purely nutritional sense. I'm not here often enough to get a sense, but it seems that way.

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Tue, 09-02-2003 - 9:07pm
I think perhaps nutritional and health-wise.

Fio.

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Thu, 09-11-2003 - 2:19am
I work in a research center and share an office with the data manager/analyst. She said exactly what you did--sample too small.

I'm definetely wary of a study done by people who have a vested interest in the results. I've seen enough in my line of work to know that one can generally find statistics to back up data through clever (yet still entirely ethical) manipulation.

I'd like to see more follow-up studies by scientists not paid by formula companies.