Who said "Formula is evil"?

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Who said "Formula is evil"?
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Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm

Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,



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Registered: 03-28-2003
Mon, 12-01-2008 - 9:54pm

"If I come in second in a race, its not first place, no matter how much I want it to be.<<<<

"Well if your baby is refusing, you have limited support, you are miserable and at the end of your rope, or you need a medication that is not compatible with bf'ing and donor milk is not an option.... formula might actually win the race in those instances. In my case it became better, since my bmilk was no longer safe."

Well, no. But the formula helped you *finish* the race. Which is certainly important, too!

In your case formula *feeding* became the better choice, but formula itself still was NOT better or even just as good.

It comes down to "sounds like", doesn't it.

Saying that need made formula just as good as breast milk "sounds like" the risk of not breastfeeding is a tenuous thing instead of a constant.

Need certainly made formula the better *CHOICE* in your case, but did not make formula "just as good" as breast milk.

Did I clarify or mudify this issue?

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Registered: 06-24-2008
Mon, 12-01-2008 - 9:59pm

>>>The OP didn't even say it =)<<<

I didn't say she said it, I said it's in the OP (in the original post):

"those evil moms who use formula" (pro-FF)
"Formula, IMHO, is evil and should not be consumed by any babies..." (pro-BF)
"I almost didn't comment, out of fear of being ripped apart for being such an "evil, selfish" mother." (pro-FF)
"IMO, formula is evil, but it's not THAT evil!" (pro-BF)

and a few other quotes....

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 9:59pm
Again, I can only tell you what I was told as a donor =)
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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:06pm
Where in that statement does it say rare circumstances? It says recommend it where not contraindicated, give information so feeding decision is an informed one, weigh benefits and risks. It says recommend it - and what to do if it's not an option. Are there statistics that demonstrate contraindications are "rare." (it may be, I'm just asking since you are putting forth that position).
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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:08pm

"Having that impact life and health insurance coverage would be awful."

>>>>Especially since it's out of the the control of the people being "punished" for the choice AND it puts us between two greedy, money-hungry, people-be-damned-it's-the-profit-that-matters moneygrubbers! Baby formula manufacturers and health insurance "investors"!<<<<

Not just that - but because you might not ever experience any health problems and still be denied coverage!

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:11pm

Muddied, but I will only muddy it more so at least we are on the same page.

>>>Need certainly made formula the better *CHOICE* in your case, but did not make formula "just as good" as breast milk.<<<<

I did not say formula was just as good as BM and stand alone nutritional options - only that formula "won" when bmilk became an unsafe choice in my personal situation.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:13pm

>>>Again, I can only tell you what I was told as a donor =)<<<<

Maybe the rules have changed. Is your milk bank not one of the 10 listed?

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:21pm

>>>Says nothing about being able to recieve this milk if you live out of country, just that they send via UPS.<<<<

Well my recently posted research indicates she wouldn't be eligible anyway. She didn't have a premature infant, hospitalized or sick infant, or any of the situations I read listed for qualifying. We also do not know if her doctor would have written the prescription. Do we know if the milk bank would take a prescription from outside the US? It seems they prioritize who gets their milk (premature or very sick babies first). At least one was only available within the state of Iowa. The one in Austin said it's for premature and ill infants all across the country (I would imagine that excludes babies outside the country).

Interesting that by "back up" this donor milk stuff with facts and science - we are giving Lee even more reasons why it's not an option for her.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:35pm

"Holy misleading statistics! You mean this 300% increase might be an increase from 2% to 6%. Okay, that sounds definitely less evil to inflict on a baby. "


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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:40pm

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LOL, are you accusing me of "building a bridge"? It's the truth. Most people who FF don't have any real conception of the risks of doing so. Everyone I know IRL who FF's thinks formula is basically just as good as BM. They think the choice is basically a Pepsi/Coke one, and that a baby is better off with a happy mom, who isn't stressed out, or tired, or harried in any way as a mother. That usually equates to throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak, and quitting BF early on, or never starting at all. A lot of their difficulty stems from an unrealistic attitude toward BF and a lack of knowledge and/or experience with it. Plus, they have doctors and advertisers telling them it doesn't really matter one way or another, and soon BF falls by the wayside, and formula saves the day.

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