Who said "Formula is evil"?

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Who said "Formula is evil"?
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Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm

Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,



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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:46pm

"Well if your baby is refusing, you have limited support, you are miserable and at the end of your rope, or you need a medication that is not compatible with bf'ing and donor milk is not an option.... formula might actually win the race in those instances. In my case it became better, since my bmilk was no longer safe."


None of those things change the composition of the substances.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:47pm

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:52pm

>>>and it does not mean that anyone else thinks it's "evil".<<<<

I'll refer you to post #1

>>>But why *shouldn't* we wish to "raise eyebrows"? The benign 'bfing is best, but ffing is fine' message is not doing much to increase bfing rates.<<<<

I agree, I made this point in post #226, last paragraph.

>>>It means you don't know how to interpret stats.... that is all.<<<<<
>>>I'm sorry you don't know what is meant by 'a 300% increase'.<<<

Is that really necessary? It did not occur to me that ear infection rates were so low to begin with. If 300% has more shock value it should not be surprising that I was more shocked by it.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:55pm

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:56pm

"Interesting that by "back up" this donor milk stuff with facts and science - we are giving Lee even more reasons why it's not an option for her."


Are you?

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 10:58pm

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LOL, are you accusing me of "building a bridge"? It's the truth.


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I wasn't accusing you of anything, I simply asked the poster who accused me of building a bridge because I dared ask you a question.


See the complete sequence of responses below:



Why do you believe that even with all the facts, people still wouldn't choose formula?


LMBO, that's one huge bridge you've built to connect those two ideas.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:01pm

"Donors of breast milk can have diseases that are missed in testing procedures just like tainted blood occurred in blood used in transfusion, it could happen with donor milk too. The risks exists especially coming from a developing country situation. Is that rational or emotional?"


And donor milk (in milk banks) is pasteurized, so any missed diseases would be killed.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:02pm

>>>>>None of those things change the composition of the substances. Formula cannot "become better". It is what it is. It is better than starvation. It may well have been safer than the med you were on, assuming that med was truly contraindicated.<<<<

I never said it changed the composition of the substances? But harmful BM is not better than formula. Unmedicated BM would have been, but I didn't have unmedicated BM to give.

>>>>But even when breastmilk is not available, formula carries risks.<<<<

Agreed, I do not recall ever disagreeing there are risks.

>>>>But for the baby, breastmilk is the first choice in all but the rarest of rare cases (PKU, galactosemia, etc), and in those cases ordinary formula will not do - it must be special hypoallergenic formula, regular formula (cow's milk or soy) would kill those babies.<<<<

And when you have dangerous medication in your BM.

>>>>Donor milk would have been the next best alternative<<<<

It appears to me that donor milk is not much of an option for a healthy older baby. Mostly due to availability of donor milk from milk banks and concerns about M2M milk.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:06pm
Thank you, I see it does say rare. Do you have the AAP position on M2M milk programs? I couldn't find it without paying, I only found articles saying they are against it, and I wonder if they are against it in all cases?
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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:09pm
I didn't say she assumed it, I see she just asked. But so many do. It's not hard to answer, I believe I answered it earlier in this thread, that it was definite. I also mentioned it in another thread here last night.
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