Who said "Formula is evil"?

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Who said "Formula is evil"?
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Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm

Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,



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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:11pm
Yes it is hard to prove a negative.
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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:12pm

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And donor milk (in milk banks) is pasteurized, so any missed diseases would be killed.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:12pm

"Where in that statement does it say rare circumstances? It says recommend it where not contraindicated, give information so feeding decision is an informed one, weigh benefits and risks."


It's pretty uncommon for bfing to be truly contraindictated, and it is exceedingly rare for bm to be contraindicated.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:13pm

"Holy misleading statistics! You mean this 300% increase might be an increase from 2% to 6%. Okay, that sounds definitely less evil to inflict on a baby. "


Context still matters.


A claim was made that breastmilk and formula "did the same thing"

Cathie

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:14pm

"Not just that - but because you might not ever experience any health problems and still be denied coverage!"


Some smokers won't experience any health problems, but they still have to pay more/can be denied coverage.

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:20pm

>>>>Pasteurization can be done at home too. It's a relatively simple process. <<<<

From what I have read (and linked in this thread) this is not recommended by the AAP. If it's a safe and easy process, what is the AAP's objection about?

And what about this from LLL: http://www.llli.org/Release/milksharing.html

"When a mother contacts a Leader seeking donated human milk, the Leader shall respond with information and support. This shall include information about induced lactation and/or relactation. The Leader shall also suggest the mother dialogue with an appropriate, licensed health care provider and contact a licensed human milk bank or other regulated and medically supervised human milk collection center. The Leader shall inform any mother interested in using donated human milk for her baby, whether on an occasional or on a long term basis, of the documented risks and benefits connected with this form of infant feeding."

"A Leader shall not ever suggest an informal milk-donation arrangement, including wet-nursing or cross-nursing. If a mother wishes to discuss these options, the Leader’s role is to provide information about the risks and benefits so that the mother can make her own informed decision based on her situation."

.... and below the first article on the same page:

"Health care providers and researchers have expressed concern that the casual exchange of human milk could be a potential route of transmission for drugs and viruses. CEO, National Commission on Donor Milk Banking and PhD candidate Lois Arnold, MPH, IBCLC states: “Because some individuals may have a viral or bacterial infection but remain asymptomatic (without symptoms) they may never know they are infecting another party. For this reason, ‘knowing someone well’ would be inadequate protection against disease transmission because the carrier is unaware she is infected.”"

This last one is similar to the concern Lee expressed, although she used the much shorter description of "icky".

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:20pm

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:23pm

"Do you have the AAP position on M2M milk programs? I couldn't find it without paying, I only found articles saying they are against it, and I wonder if they are against it in all cases?"


i believe they say that they do not recommend it due to the potential for infectious diseases.


I think they just can't control it, so they can't recommend it.

Cathie

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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:25pm

Since you don't seem to understand the post you just put together, I'll just say that Colleen's assessment of your statement was correct, whether you can see that or not. I didn't say anybody was "ignorant". Ignorant is a pejorative term and I wouldn't use it to describe anybody at all.

It is not incorrect to say that most who FF are unaware of the true nature of the risks involved. They wouldn't have any reason to learn about the risks. THIS board is the first, and basically only, place I have ever seen the risks addressed or discussed. Before coming here, I had ZERO idea that there was anything "wrong" with FF at all. Literally, I had no idea whatsoever. The truth was mind-blowing for me, and I only wish more people would stumble across this board accidentally while newly pregnant for the first time, such as I did, because it might help them too.

But seriously...what's the deal? Why do you have to word things in such a negative way? That you "dared to ask me a question"? If I'm such a meanie, report my posts to iVillage. You've had it pointed out to you by several people now that your responses come off as hostile and angry, so it's not just my interpretation.

Sheesh, just be nice already.




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Mon, 12-01-2008 - 11:26pm

>>>Some smokers won't experience any health problems, but they still have to pay more/can be denied coverage. I think lve2read's reasoning was better, honestly. We already deny coverage for choices even if the person doesn't have, and may never have, issues related to the choice.<<<<

But that's a current behavior. To my knowledge (personal experience) people aren't turned down because they were in a home with parents who smoked when they were infants. They aren't even asked that. Even the smoking question is on the honor system for the most part. Is there a blood test to see if someone was FF vs BF?

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