Who said "Formula is evil"?
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Who said "Formula is evil"?
| Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm |
Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,
| Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm |
Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,
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"All studies have an agenda, sorry. Who ever has the money pulls the strings."
Who makes the money from people choosing to breastfeed because studies show formula to be riskier?
Yes, it's important to follow the money trail, but where does it lead in THIS case?
>>>I know you are feeling protective of Lee<<<
You know this? On what basis do you know my feelings? That is as hysterical as Lee being told to chill - why does anyone think they know another poster's feelings when they aren't stated by that poster? You are talking to strangers on the internet, you don't know their feelings unless they tell you. In this type of forum it is easy to misread emotion, especially when the emotion is something like "feeling protective of another poster."
I don't know about Lee, but that kind of creeps me out. It's not like Lee and I know each other personally or something. And LOL - not like Lee needs protection. She's got her trading card right there pointing a gun at everyone!
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"Another assumption is I just asked the doctor and went with what he said. I did not."
Please don't take this personally. Many times posters have come here claiming to "know all about it", yet careful questioning reveals huge, huge holes in that knowledge.
So, some here have learned to *ask* those questions. In part to help said poster see options for "next time", in part to just expand said posters knowledge base AND in part to share the knowledge with people who just happen to be reading the board RIGHT NOW and may not come back or stay.
You certainly have the right (and ability) to state that you choose not to discuss that aspect of your personal situation and thank others for understanding. Then skip over anything that addresses that aspect.
But since you are one of the rare ones who apparently DOES "know all about it", go for it! Or not. It's your choice.
Well, you have been very defensive of her in several posts. "Protective" is the impression I have been getting too.
As far as people thinking they know someone else's feelings, do all the times you've accused others of making "assumptions" about you meds count? Just wondering, since you just did it to me a couple of posts ago...
>>>Sorry, but I assumed nothing. I am sincerely happy to hear that doctors are using Hale in some places, because they certainly aren't doing it everywhere!<<<<
You know, with the drug in question it probably wasn't even necessary. It's not even questionable. I ended up getting copies of Hales pages for another drug which I did end up taking while bf'ing (against my rheumatologists advice). The LLL person sent me the page for this drug too, but it was like "duh, if you take this one you'll be done bf'ing" which I already knew, long before talking to her about it.
Some drugs doctors do know are harmful, even without looking at Hale. The one's widely known to cause serious problems will be listed as causing serious problems in Hale too. For this drug, I had to be off of it for months before I could even TTC. So it's not something that only came up after delivery. All of my drugs were discussed before I even considered going off birth control. I don't have a temporary problem that required medication, I have an immune disorder.
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I just googled "formula gut flora"and got this:
http://massbfc.org/formula/bottle.html
American Academy of Pediatrics, Work Group on Cow's Milk Protein and Diabetes Mellitus. Infant feeding practices and their possible relationship to the etiology of diabetes mellitus. Pediatrics 1994; 94:752-754
American Academy of Pediatrics, Committee on Nutrition. Hypoallergenic infant formulas. Pediatrics 2000; 106:346-349
Brown EW, Bosworth AW. Studies of infant feeding VI. A bacteriological study of the feces and the food of normal babies receiving breast milk. Am J Dis Child 1922; 23:243
Bullen CL, Tearle PV, Stewart MG. The effect of humanized milks and supplemented breast feeding on the faecal flora of infants. J Med Microbiol 1977; 10:403-413
Catassi C, et al. Intestinal permeability changes during the first month: effect of natural versus artificial feeding. J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr 1995; 21:383-386
Chandra RK. Food allergy and nutrition in early life: implications for later health. Proc Nutr Soc 2000; 59:273-277
Dai D, Walker WA. Protective nutrients and bacterial colonization in the immature human gut. Adv Pediatr 1999; 46:353-382
Gerstley JR, Howell KM, Nagel BR. Some factors influencing the fecal flora of infants. Am J Dis Child 1932; 43:555
Gronlund MM, et al. Fecal microflora in healthy infants born by different methods of delivery: permanent changes in intestinal flora after cesarean delivery. J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr 1999; 28:19-25
Host A, Husby S, Osterballe O. A prospective study of cow's milk allergy in exclusively breastfed infants. Acta Paediatr Scand 1988; 77:663-670
Host A. Importance of the first meal on the development of cow's milk allergy and intolerance. Allergy Proc 1991; 10:227-232
Karjalainen J, Martin JM, Knip M, et al. A bovine albumin peptide as a possible trigger of insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. N Engl J Med 1992; 327:302-307
Kimpimaki T, et al. Short-term exclusive breastfeeding predisposes young children with increased genetic risk of Type 1 diabetes to progressive beta-cell autoimmunity. Diabetologia 2001; 44:63-69
Kostraba JN, Cruickshanks KJ, Lawler-Heavner J, et al. Early exposure to cow's milk and solid foods in infancy, genetic predisposition, and risk of IDDM. Diabetes 1993; 42:288-295
Mackie RI, Sghir A, Gaskins HR. Developmental microbial ecology of the neonatal gastrointestinal tract. Am J Clin Nutr 1999; 69(Suppl):1035S-1045S
Mayer EJ, Hamman RF, Gay EC, et al. Reduced risk of IDDM among breastfed children. The Colorado IDDM Registry. Diabetes 1988; 37:1625-1632
Rubaltelli FF, et al. Intestinal flora in breast and bottle-fed infants. J Perinat Med 1998; 26:186-191
Savilahti E, Tuomilehto J, Saukkonen TT, et al. Increased levels of cow's milk and b-lactoglobulin antibodies in young children with newly diagnosed IDDM. Diabetes Care 1993; 16:984-989
Stark PL, Lee A. The microbial ecology of the large bowel of breastfed and formula-fed infants during the first year of life. J Med Microbiol 1982; 15:189-203
Vaarala O, et al. Cow milk feeding induces antibodies to insulin in children - a link between cow milk and insulin-dependent mellitus? Scand J Immunol 1998; 47:131-135
Zetterstrom R, et al. Early infant feeding and micro-ecology of the gut. Acta Paediatr Jpn 1994; 36:562-571
Zieger R. Prevention of food allergy in infants and children. Immunology & Allergy Clinics of North America 1999; 19(3)
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And this is a cool link, but I can't cut & paste...and I just noticed the book was written by Marsha Walker, the same person who authored the "just one bottle" above.
http://books.google.com/books?id=nuRf-YXawAcC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=formula+gut+flora&source=web&ots=DO0P92vhsa&sig=yq2meBzz-C_XD_j26jD-MrTg1E4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
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Interesting.>>
That is interesting.
>>>>You certainly have the right (and ability) to state that you choose not to discuss that aspect of your personal situation and thank others for understanding. Then skip over anything that addresses that aspect.<<<<
Which I did, in post 269.
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The links I just posted in my previous post address the question you asaked lve2read. :-)
>>>>Well, you have been very defensive of her in several posts. "Protective" is the impression I have been getting too.<<<<
You have the wrong impression. I am arguing/discussing in a debate. I may share her POV, and when I see someone accusing her of making a certain kind of remark, I may point out that others are making similar kinds of remarks to her. I do sometimes take the side of the minority in a debate, but that's more my personality than how I "feel" about Lee. She's the last person who needs "protection" of the people I "know" online.
>>>>>As far as people thinking they know someone else's feelings, do all the times you've accused others of making "assumptions" about you meds count? Just wondering, since you just did it to me a couple of posts ago...<<<<
Did I say I knew your feelings?
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