Who said "Formula is evil"?
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Who said "Formula is evil"?
| Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm |
Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,
| Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm |
Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,
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"Interesting then than the AAP wouldn't recommend M2M milk and LLL would tell it's leaders to never recommend it."
You seem to fall back on the AAP's stance (LLLI is not a medical org - they are a support and info group for lactating women - they do not make the recommendations - they encourage others to follow them).
>>>With all this talk about the AAP, I just wanted to add that they are a semi-political entity. They are also humans, who can be influenced by special interest groups and lobbyists. Although they do often have decent information, there are several topics where they have taken a stand, yet research does not back them up.<<<<
I can understand that. But also the LLL instructs it's leaders to never recommend it, I don't know the WHO's stance but does any organization in the US champion M2M donation?
I was looking up the HMBANA guidelines and in addition to testing the donor mother via blood test, they culture each batch of pasteurized milk before it is distributed. Is there a process for culturing each batch if you do M2M?
http://www.hmbana.org/index.php?mode=donations
http://www.hmbana.org/index.php?mode=processing
Is there any official organization that promotes breastfeeding and milk banks that also recommends M2M milk? Surely if it's just as safe, some national or international organization should recommend it?
Malcolm Gladwell Blink
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Have you had your dd's gut tested?
Lee
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock.
Is there any official organization that promotes breastfeeding and milk banks that also recommends M2M milk? Surely if it's just as safe, some national or international organization should recommend it?
In our current, overly litigious society, no organization is going to recommend an unregulated practice.
>>>LLL does not CREATE recommendations. They are obligated to follow them, if for no other reason than a CYA measure. Did your lik state that LLLI is a medical organization that creates infant nutrition recommendations? No?<<<
So LLL has to follow anything the AAP decides?
From their site: "Our Mission is to help mothers worldwide to breastfeed through mother-to-mother support, encouragement, information, and education, and to promote a better understanding of breastfeeding as an important element in the healthy development of the baby and mother."
And it seems they are choosing not to support M2M through encouragement, information or education. According to the link I provided earlier, they DO seem to support milk bank usage. I'll site it again http://www.llli.org/Release/milksharing.html:
"The Leader shall also suggest the mother dialogue with an appropriate, licensed health care provider and contact a licensed human milk bank or other regulated and medically supervised human milk collection center. The Leader shall inform any mother interested in using donated human milk for her baby, whether on an occasional or on a long term basis, of the documented risks and benefits connected with this form of infant feeding."
compare this to:
"A Leader shall not ever suggest an informal milk-donation arrangement..."
So while people on this board are saying there is no difference in safety, the LLL does make a distinction. If they can't Create Recommendations as you say above, who is telling them they have to make this distinction between milk banks and M2M?
Malcolm Gladwell Blink
"I asked if all babies who were formula fed had improperly sealed guts, you said all, if it isn't ALL then why say ALL? Why not say most or some?"
What you asked was:
"Ok so it would be correct for me to say all BF babies have guts sealed properly and all FF babies have improperly sealed guts?"
And I replied:
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>>>>So I am assuming you agree w/ the AAP on this matter.<<<<
I am asking questions to further my understanding of the issue.
>>>>What about the following scenario:<<<<
That would be between you and your SIL, you know her so that's good - not a lactating internet stranger, and the fact she's an approved, tested milk bank donor should certainly give you further comfort. I have no issue with other people doing M2M.
>>>You seem to fall back on the AAP's stance (LLLI is not a medical org - they are a support and info group for lactating women - they do not make the recommendations - they encourage others to follow them). <<<
Earlier in the thread people had no issue posting the WHO/AAP hierarchy of infant nutrition, first BF, then pump, then milk bank and formula last. The fact M2M didn't even make the list makes me raise an eyebrow. My next question is why - posters here have given some answers, which I think were good. But the "LLLI is not a medical org" and "AAP doesn't always get it right" aren't the most compelling of them.
Malcolm Gladwell Blink
Who said formula is "evil"?
There are lots of anti-formula posters here. Whether or not they used the exact word "evil" is irrelevant. They've said lots of other harsh things about formula. That's undeniable.
I must admit, I almost believed some of the anti-formula posts on this forum...for a while. Then I had my baby. I tried to BF exclusively. Well, she started losing weight (this in addition to the weight loss in the hospital). The pediatrician informed me that I needed to supplement her BFing with formula, ASAP. A friend of mine had given me some boxes of formula when I was pregnant, I started feeding her those...and her weight came back on quickly, rosy cheeks, chubby thighs, etc. She is a healthy baby now. Thank God for formula!
"So LLL has to follow anything the AAP decides?"
If they don't want to leave themselves open to a lawsuit?
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What you asked was:
"Ok so it would be correct for me to say all BF babies have guts sealed properly and all FF babies have improperly sealed guts?"
And I replied:
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Lee
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock.
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