Who said "Formula is evil"?

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Who said "Formula is evil"?
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Mon, 11-03-2008 - 12:14pm

Ok, we need to get back to debating - so I typed "formula is evil" into Google & found most were saying,



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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 12:46am


Lilypie Zweiter Ticker
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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 1:09am

It's ok...in debates sometimes people get a little riled up, I just wanted that not to happen in this case. I am not against anyone. Believe me, I see enough in the Circ debate.


That story about what the companies did to the campaign, is sad. Though I am not surprised. Corporations control the gov't. I think Bill Maher was the one to say that the US is a Corporate Facist state. I agree. Corporations pull the strings of the gov't and control everything with their money.


Ok, what I want to understand is why formula causes these things. As in middle ear infection and higher respitory problems. I can't understand a baby getting sicker because of the lack on antibodies, which some companies are trying to recreate with the probiotics. Which is why I continued to give Maggie the breast after we started formula...I think I was a better pacifier for her.


Oh I would like to also add according to a new study by the Dutch, if you have had a c section your child is 80% more likely to have asthma as well........so FF and c section, I guess equals a child who can't breath.


I understand overweight possibilites with FF. Parents want the bottle to be finished...ugh...the baby eats what it wants, more or less...like I posted somewhere else if you feed formula you must be prepared to Spend and Waste money........


Those companies all get donations from People and corporations. That is why some of their statements are so weak. As for profit source in supporting lactation/breastfeeding? Ok, I will reiterate this one...I mean it is not as good as formulas profit, but everyone is out to make a book. Think of all the things that make you comfortable while BF. The pillow, the nursing bra, the nursing shirt, the cover up you use outside, and the most expensive is pumps. This stuff is mostly for industrialized countries, but you see my point in the fact that people make money on both sides.


Was your baby having enough wet/poopy diapers.


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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 1:27am


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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 5:01am
another reason we ask these things is that there are usually several lurkers for every person who posts on a board. I'd hate for someone to read this thread, hear that someone couldn't BF due to medication and go away believing that it is common to be unable to nurse for that reason or to take her doctor's word without realising that often doctors don't actually have all the info.





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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 5:29am

From your link:



If a mother wishes to discuss these options, the Leader’s role is to provide information about the risks and benefits so that the mother can make her own informed decision based on her situation.



This is basically how LLLLeaders are taught to handle any queary. LLLLeaders should never tell a mother what she should do but should provide support and information to enable her to make her own decision. This is, in part, to do with liability but it's also about empowering mothers and recogniseing them as experts on their own babies.


LLL also has a slightly ambivilent position about donor milk full-stop. It's important that donor milk be available nad yet there is the potential for the availabilty of donor milk to be an "out" for mothers and their carers to give up on BFing . In the same vein we've had hospitals really, actively pushing exclusive pumping (ahead of working on direct BFing) so that their "exclusive breastmilk feeding" stats look great without having to mention the number of babies never actually going to the breast.





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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 5:43am

May I ask if you tried any breastfeeding solutions to the weight gain issue before resorting to formula? Did you do pre- and post-feed weights to check milk transfer? Was baby's latch evaluated? Did you tweak your nursing patterns? Supplement with EBM?

Feel free not to answer or to point me in the direction of a previous post where you've answered this (with or without mental eye-rolling) but I find that the more people's "stories" I know the more information and empathy I have for the next person who needs my help.





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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 6:43am

May I ask if you tried any breastfeeding solutions to the weight gain issue before resorting to formula? Of course!


Did you do pre- and post-feed weights to check milk transfer?Only in the hospital, was in for 4 days. My milk


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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 7:35am
>>>This is basically how LLLLeaders are taught to handle any queary. LLLLeaders should never tell a mother what she should do but should provide support and information to enable her to make her own decision. This is, in part, to do with liability but it's also about empowering mothers and recogniseing them as experts on their own babies.



That makes sense. They are responding to the queries the same (thought not quite "the same" if the risks of one are perceived as much greater than the other), but they have a very different approach for the Leaders wrt to statements the leaders can make:



"The Leader shall also suggest the mother dialogue with an appropriate, licensed health care provider and contact a licensed human milk bank or other regulated and medically supervised human milk collection center."



"A Leader shall not ever suggest an informal milk-donation arrangement..."



>>>>LLL also has a slightly ambivilent position about donor milk full-stop.



The statements above don't sound ambivalent. I also found the information below on their site, they don't sound ambivalent. What do you mean by slightly ambivalent? I have been told that facts come before opinion here, is your statement fact or opinion?



From a 2005 progress report on bf'ing: "It is time nations recognized the value of breastfeeding and banked human donor milk in terms of food, health protection, and prevention." http://www.llli.org/advocacy/2005CSW.htm



From a LLL publication in support of milk banking against informal arrangements: "Current barriers to increased usage are lack of physician awareness of the service and lack of national policy supporting the use of donor milk in certain clinical situations." and "There are also new strains of bacteria that are becoming drug resistant and extremely dangerous. Informal sharing of milk between nursing mothers who care for each other's children and nurse them, or sharing expressed milk with a friend or neighbor or acquaintance is not advisable." http://www.llli.org/llleaderweb/LV/LVAprMay00p19.html


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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 7:58am

>>>nad yet there is the potential for the availabilty of donor milk to be an "out" for mothers and their carers to give up on BFing . In the same vein we've had hospitals really, actively pushing exclusive pumping (ahead of working on direct BFing) so that their "exclusive breastmilk feeding" stats look great without having to mention the number of babies never actually going to the breast.<<<<

Why I have I not seen these risks published in articles or policies on the LLL site? I have seen risks for information milk sharing explained, I have seen risks of the AAPs policy on co-sleeping and pacifiers and how it may impact breastfeeding negatively... but not these you mention. Are you saying this is your reason they should be "slightly ambivalent" or are you saying this is why THEY ARE slightly ambivalent?

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Wed, 12-03-2008 - 8:43am

I participate in a listserv for people involved in lactation issues, and there most definitely is a split in the community about things like exclusive pumping.


I would compare it, if I may digress a moment, to the split I've seen in the homosexual community over civil unions/marriage.

 


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