I am certianlly not the same person I was before she was born. And now I, as well as you, get to use our expereinces to support others. If I had ever needed a "reason" as to why we had to go through this, that would be it.
"So let's say babies that are born too early or under extreme circumstances can't latch properly due to those circumstances... then we could say ff'ing is yet another attempt to keep babies alive that long ago might not have made it. Would that be a fair statement? Then you can argue it's been overused, just like c-sections and other interventions?"
I'm a little behind here, but I can say that this argument has been made many times on this board.
"Back before we had birth control the only options were abstinence or bf'ing, assuming the early cave man noticed that bf'ing women didn't get pg like the other women."
It seems that knowledge of human reproduction occurred at around the time animal husbandry does- about 10,000 BCE at the earliest. That's when you see a dramatic increase in the number of male deities and phallus worship.
"I had that too!! Both times, and the nurses didn't believe me. It was way worse the first time, when I was induced for pre-e. I thought I had broken a rib or something had ruptured. I remember telling the nurse that I thought I had torn something (I had felt a "pop" in my side) and she ignored me. I had no idea that the pain was related to pre-e until long after."
I'm glad that one of my first nurses said that it was probably the result of the pre-e, but your description reminded me of something else.
A day or two later, I was having some horrible pain- the same kind. I just felt weak and like you say, as if I had broken a rib or something. I kept asking and asking and asking and they wouldn't even acknowledge it. I was like, "Hello? Anyone out there?" Well, as it turned out I had not eaten in 14 hours and had nursed probably six or seven times in that period. It wasn't a stomachache; it was hunger. You'd think the nurses could have taken five minutes out of their day to help me figure that one out.
((((Jennifer)))) you should copy the last paragraph and send it to him. Tell him how you feel exactly (not putting blame on him, just talking about why it makes you feel so badly). I agree with you FWIW. There is a yahoo mailing list that is basically "dead" right now ;) as few ppl post to it but I am a moderator...it is called BirthRage and I know a lot of people *Read*. If you want to sub. to that and vent, do so... :-) If it will help you...
I was going to say the same thing WRT gastro bugs as Emily did here basically. Nothing guarantees a BFed baby won't end up hospitalized and nothing guarantees a FFed baby will, nor that they won't take pedialyte, but having nursed 2 kids through *several* gastro bugs and having just watched my neighbour with her FFed child and how she made it through the latest (but not the only one I've seen her with) gastro bug, I am *far far* happier with the idea of BFing. First off, they are almost guaranteed to want it b/c it is a comfort source. The whole cow milk/formula in a bottle may still be a comfort source but may not be well tolerated therefore pedialyte might be substituted but then the kid might not take it in the end. Secondly, BM has the antibodies and is easily digested so more likely to *do* something in their system. My neighbour's daughter ended up with about 8 oz of my milk over the course of the few days she was sick, but at an ounce or 2 at a time, and only once a day or so, it evidently was not doing much for her when she puked it up again 10 min. later (maybe a bit, but minimal). It would have been far better to nurse her multiple times a day instead.
I've also said it before and I'll repeat it...I don't ever *expect* to see this but I would *love* to see identical twins where one is BFed and the other is not. I don't expect to see it b/c I don't think any loving parent would ever do that. Either BFing is important to them and they make every effort to BF them both (or at least as much as they can) or it isn't that important and they don't BF either of them. But while their bodies will develop differently once they are separated (ie past the cellular level) and become separate people (there's epigenetics for you...), they start out with the SAME genetic baggage and generally react in *similar* ways to things. If you find that they always get colds at the same time (which one would expect, in siblings who are likely very close together) but the BFed one'S colds last half as long as the FFed one's, wouldn't that be rather telling? :-) It might not be a *perfect science* in terms of 1000's of kids in a double-blind study but it would still be *really really* interesting to see if it seemed to make any difference!
Chiropractic care. I swear by it for ear troubles in kids particularly, but I learned about it after a friend of mine had success with it during her 2nd pgcy when she seemed very prone to them (otherwise, she normally wasn't...).
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100% agree!
I am certianlly not the same person I was before she was born. And now I, as well as you, get to use our expereinces to support others. If I had ever needed a "reason" as to why we had to go through this, that would be it.
Jenna & Michael.
*Praying for my best friend, my Dad*
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Can I join? ;O) I agree with both of you. I have actually become a "resource" for others, unbelievably, LOL.
"I thought it was where a couple other people jump in and take it in a new direction. We're just ending now, not even at 800 posts?"
Oh I didn't mean no one could discuss it/morph it into a new topic.
"So let's say babies that are born too early or under extreme circumstances can't latch properly due to those circumstances... then we could say ff'ing is yet another attempt to keep babies alive that long ago might not have made it. Would that be a fair statement? Then you can argue it's been overused, just like c-sections and other interventions?"
I'm a little behind here, but I can say that this argument has been made many times on this board.
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"Back before we had birth control the only options were abstinence or bf'ing, assuming the early cave man noticed that bf'ing women didn't get pg like the other women."
It seems that knowledge of human reproduction occurred at around the time animal husbandry does- about 10,000 BCE at the earliest. That's when you see a dramatic increase in the number of male deities and phallus worship.
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"I had that too!! Both times, and the nurses didn't believe me. It was way worse the first time, when I was induced for pre-e. I thought I had broken a rib or something had ruptured. I remember telling the nurse that I thought I had torn something (I had felt a "pop" in my side) and she ignored me. I had no idea that the pain was related to pre-e until long after."
I'm glad that one of my first nurses said that it was probably the result of the pre-e, but your description reminded me of something else.
A day or two later, I was having some horrible pain- the same kind. I just felt weak and like you say, as if I had broken a rib or something. I kept asking and asking and asking and they wouldn't even acknowledge it. I was like, "Hello? Anyone out there?" Well, as it turned out I had not eaten in 14 hours and had nursed probably six or seven times in that period. It wasn't a stomachache; it was hunger. You'd think the nurses could have taken five minutes out of their day to help me figure that one out.
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((((Jennifer)))) you should copy the last paragraph and send it to him. Tell him how you feel exactly (not putting blame on him, just talking about why it makes you feel so badly). I agree with you FWIW. There is a yahoo mailing list that is basically "dead" right now ;) as few ppl post to it but I am a moderator...it is called BirthRage and I know a lot of people *Read*. If you want to sub. to that and vent, do so... :-) If it will help you...
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I was going to say the same thing WRT gastro bugs as Emily did here basically. Nothing guarantees a BFed baby won't end up hospitalized and nothing guarantees a FFed baby will, nor that they won't take pedialyte, but having nursed 2 kids through *several* gastro bugs and having just watched my neighbour with her FFed child and how she made it through the latest (but not the only one I've seen her with) gastro bug, I am *far far* happier with the idea of BFing. First off, they are almost guaranteed to want it b/c it is a comfort source. The whole cow milk/formula in a bottle may still be a comfort source but may not be well tolerated therefore pedialyte might be substituted but then the kid might not take it in the end. Secondly, BM has the antibodies and is easily digested so more likely to *do* something in their system. My neighbour's daughter ended up with about 8 oz of my milk over the course of the few days she was sick, but at an ounce or 2 at a time, and only once a day or so, it evidently was not doing much for her when she puked it up again 10 min. later (maybe a bit, but minimal). It would have been far better to nurse her multiple times a day instead.
I've also said it before and I'll repeat it...I don't ever *expect* to see this but I would *love* to see identical twins where one is BFed and the other is not. I don't expect to see it b/c I don't think any loving parent would ever do that. Either BFing is important to them and they make every effort to BF them both (or at least as much as they can) or it isn't that important and they don't BF either of them. But while their bodies will develop differently once they are separated (ie past the cellular level) and become separate people (there's epigenetics for you...), they start out with the SAME genetic baggage and generally react in *similar* ways to things. If you find that they always get colds at the same time (which one would expect, in siblings who are likely very close together) but the BFed one'S colds last half as long as the FFed one's, wouldn't that be rather telling? :-) It might not be a *perfect science* in terms of 1000's of kids in a double-blind study but it would still be *really really* interesting to see if it seemed to make any difference!
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