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To all our regular posters and welcome lurkers...
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Wed, 04-06-2011 - 12:18am

Why are we here on this board? We all agree with each other. Routine male infant circumcision in the US is dying its long awaited and inevitable death.

When did we last have a pro-circ point from any poster to consider? I have done my best to invite any parents across iVillage with a pro or undecided point of view about male circumcision (infant or older) to debate with us.

I'm your CL on a debate board with nothing to debate. Some of you will say, again, that we have lurkers who will read and take in our information. But do we do it any better than iVillage's Foreskin Support board -

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Wed, 04-06-2011 - 8:01pm
I hope this board will stay...intact. HAHA. Pardon the horrible pun, I couldn't resist :)

Seriously, I do think this board is necessary. As we know, the tides come and go, and at some point there will be people willing to debate this issue again.

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Registered: 08-07-2008
Wed, 04-06-2011 - 9:41pm

I think there will still be a place for this board for a long time Chris. I think the problem is that in a debate one might be expected to eventually find some common ground on which to agree but on this issue there is really none. Further, those who circumcise tend to believe it can be either or while those who don't are stauntly against it. You'd find few, if any, who believe that it should be universal the way we have those who believe it should be banned.

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Registered: 12-01-2010
Thu, 04-07-2011 - 5:42pm

"There's no appetite for debate.

Please, all of you, consider this fact... and respond."

It's not that there is no appetite for debate but that there is little evidence to use on the "pro" side and people quickly tire of trying to use the same old cunnards.

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Registered: 04-23-2010
Fri, 04-08-2011 - 3:31am
I think there are plenty of people out there that would argue vehemently for circumcision, but just don't know there's a debate. The people who are like "yeah, you have to be circumcised because uncircumcised penises are gross" are out there, but they're just so stuck in their narrow world that they don't even know it's being threatened. Once it becomes apparent on a wider scale that circumcision is starting to disappear, watch them wildly struggle for their last dying breaths. Also, you should take into account that while (presumably) the numbers are down overall, you have to think that it's still very densely popular in particular demographics. So to those demographics, it's still continuing on as normal. Much of America has the problem of living in a bubble, so you're often going to find people that are just completely detached and unaware of change because they only associate with like-minded individuals.

Still, slowly but surely, circumcision is on its way out. We may not think the pace is fast enough, but it will eventually die. You can't stop progress, you can only slow it down.
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Fri, 04-08-2011 - 7:17pm

Thank you all for your responses. I hope for more from our other

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Fri, 04-08-2011 - 7:37pm
itsirkmr wrote:
I hope this board will stay...intact. HAHA. Pardon the horrible pun, I couldn't resist :)

Seriously, I do think this board is necessary. As we know, the tides come and go, and at some point there will be people willing to debate this issue again.

Kristi, pun apart :smileywink:, I don't have much expectation that the prevailing tide of unwillingness to debate the issue will take a U-turn. If I'm proved wrong, I will be the first to admit it.

Christopher

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Fri, 04-08-2011 - 8:04pm
fellowtraveler wrote:

I think there will still be a place for this board for a long time Chris. I think the problem is that in a debate one might be expected to eventually find some common ground on which to agree but on this issue there is really none. Further, those who circumcise tend to believe it can be either or while those who don't are stauntly against it. You'd find few, if any, who believe that it should be universal the way we have those who believe it should be banned.

I have always considered you my fellow traveller! Online debate is unlike 'real life' debate, where there's a time limit for opposing arguments followed by a vote from a listening, watching audience. Online, the debate is either timeless or withers into obscurity for lack of interest.

I take your comment about common ground, though I would argue that those who choose to circumcise,love their boys no less or more than those who don't - common ground.

Christopher

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Fri, 04-08-2011 - 8:13pm

"It's not that there is no appetite for debate but that there is little evidence to use on the "pro" side and people quickly tire of trying to use the same old cunnards.

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Fri, 04-08-2011 - 8:30pm
"I think there are plenty of people out there that would argue vehemently for circumcision, but just don't know there's a debate."
Mark, I'm sure there are... and it's these who once sought the chance to debate their opinions when male child circumcision was prolific in the US. The turning tide will wake them from their comfort zone eventually, but will they have the strength of will to argue their convictions when "struggling for their last dying breaths"?
Christopher

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Fri, 04-08-2011 - 8:53pm

To ALL

I see one possibility to strengthen our state as a debate board, but it won't be allowed while our posting activity is so slow.

Some time ago I suggested to Jen (our CM) that a companion pro-circ CL would encourage

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