The California ban initiative back in the news

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The California ban initiative back in the news
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Sat, 06-04-2011 - 10:05pm

This is from today's New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/us/05circumcision.html

What I found interesting were a couple of quotes on two issues that procircumcision supporters, until now, have not only always avoided, but that would even be caught dead admitting:

'.....“People are shocked that it has reached this level because there has never been this kind of a direct assault on a Jewish practice here,” said Marc Stern, associate general counsel for the American Jewish Committee, an advocacy group. “This is something that American Jews have always taken for granted — that something that was so contested elsewhere but here, we’re safe and we’re secure.....'[my bold];

and

"...Dr. David Baron, a family physician, certified mohel — someone who performs ritual circumcision — and former chief of staff at Santa Monica-U.C.L.A., said that he would not press any parent to circumcise a son but that he viewed the effort to ban the procedure as “ridiculous and dishonest.”. “To say it is mutilation is wrong from the get-go,” Dr. Baron said. “It is a perfectly valid decision to say that it is not what you want for your child. Any doctor who says it is needed is not being honest [my bold]

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Sun, 07-31-2011 - 12:31pm

The iniative was flawed from the start, it should have been targeted specifically against the practice of

Rob


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Registered: 12-01-2010

"but to me, a religious exemption is just so fundamentally wrong."

Yes, and unconstitutional.

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And, in essence, that is exactly what happened in Britain 63 years ago. Moreover it was achieved without any legislature banning infant circumcision, secular or religious.

Christopher

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Registered: 12-01-2010

"could it really be this time that 'the wagons are being circled'?"

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Wed, 08-03-2011 - 10:00pm

"Ironically, I was circumcised in California. Do you have a link to the statistics in California over the last few decades, I'd be very interested in seeing it. "

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“It wouldn't be that bad of a thing, but to me, a religious exemption is just so fundamentally wrong.”

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Fri, 08-05-2011 - 10:09am
It's a matter of the age old dilemma of principle vs. practicality. I don't think anyone would dispute that what you're talking about is a far more practical method of achieving progress, but then there's the principled stand that there's no reason that religion should get an exemption (whether you want to call it that or not), and just because a group may be a small minority, that doesn't mean they don't deserve to be fought for any less than the majority. I'm not even arguing here that the practical way isn't the way to go, but at least allow me the pain that comes from sacrificing a principle.
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Fri, 08-05-2011 - 10:38pm
I understand your point, but to be honest I don't want to see circumcision made illegal. I just want people to stop choosing it. Education is more important IMO than legislation.

Funny side story, my mother (Jewish) was reading about the CA initiative in the Jewish Journal. She was "shocked" to read that there is no medical basis for circumcision and that it isn't recommended. Uhm, I tried fighting that into her head my entire.flipping.pregnancy and the three days I was in the hospital post delivery. She didn't listen but since the JJ said it, it must be true. *headdesk*
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