To Tiger and EVERYONE: A Repeated Plea to Reflect Upon Our Board and its Value

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To Tiger and EVERYONE: A Repeated Plea to Reflect Upon Our Board and its Value
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Sun, 07-31-2011 - 9:02pm

Below I copy my reply to Tiger from the thread

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Tiger, Jen does often reply to messages directed to her personally within posts, but she may be particularly busy at this time. It's better to click her name and contact her directly via e-mail. Now is the time to do so. I will join you, of course.

Ellisa, if you can take a moment from your CL duties on the Pregnant with Multiples board, I'd very much appreciate your back-up with a brief e-mail to Jen.

Christopher

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My mistake ,

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No problem, we all make mistakes!

."Changing the Google ranking, will help people find an iVillage site, if they are looking for it.

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Registered: 02-10-2011

"But there's no doubt BC's group 'Questioning Circumcision and Raising Intact Boys' is far more active than any circumcision-orientated board in iVillage - and that's because of its carefully worded name. So you're absolutely correct to say it's all down to what people are looking for and that debating circumcision is largely not one of them.""

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Christopher, Tiger,

My apologies for not replying earlier to this thread. From my point of view:

1) For what I have seen during the last few months in relation to the proposed vote on a circumcision ban in San Francisco, traditional debate on circumcision is alive and well. It is, however, just not happening in ivillage or Baby Center, but in any news or blog site that bothers to open their articles to readers' comments. There, you will find the standard vibrant debate that we have got to know for the last 10 year or more, with supporters ranging from the traditional not-too-informed and knee-jerk reaction crowd (i.e. "it's cleaner", "it's healthier", "it prevents AIDS", "my wife's cousin's neighbour had to have it done as an adult", etc.), all the way to those that scream racism or anti-semitism at the drop of a hat ;

2) Furthermore, I got into those sites just by typing in Google the phrase "circumcision ban" (not even "debate" or "controversy" or similar terms). I am not too familiar with how Google ranks searchers, yet I find the whole issue quite fascinating, yet scary. Not only with circumcision but with any other topics, we are dangerously moving into a situation of "if you cannot find it in Google, it does not exist"; nevertheless,

3) while I am still curious as to why village/ppcirc 'circumcision debate' does not pop up in the first Google search page, the harsh reality of the poor debate traffic both here and at BC may be more related to what parents are looking for in this sites when it comes to circumcision. During the Internet's infancy 10 to 15 years ago, debate was the only game in town, since the only information on circumcision available outside of the Internet was primarily in its support. Maybe that changed now in the mainstream non-online media and new parents may be looking for corroboration instead in the Internet.

So, changing the title of the board in a way that can increase Google recognition and subsequent traffic (while avoiding a plagiarism lawsuit from other places ;) ) may be the way to go. However, I would not like to see a 'reprofiling' exercise that cuts into the capability of debating uninformed opinions, prejudices and overall ignorance on circumcision

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Federico,

First a big thank you for joining this discussion, I so hoped you would.

I will reply to you fully tomorrow - be sure of that!

But just a thought for you to reflect upon:.. 'debate', 'discussion' and 'query' are variations on a single theme. (And I note your comment on plagiarism!)

Christopher

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"I am not too familiar with how Google ranks searchers"

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Registered: 07-16-2008
@all

Changing the board title away from debate and into questioning might very well be the push we'd need to stay alive. It's an interesting concept to be sure.
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Federico, my reply as promised. I will take your 1,2 and 3 in turn...

1. Yes, I mentioned earlier in this thread that worldwide, debate on virtually any subject is endemic and hugely popular. We have a point of view and we relish the chance to express it. It occurs to me that the dearth of interest within iVillage, BabyCenter, Mothering.com et al may be because these are enclosed, online, family orientated communities and while circumcision was once one of the top subjects for debate, too many North American parents are leaving their boys intact today. Whereas vaccination, abortion and breast v bottle feeding endure because they are still to be resolved. The San Francisco initiative is vibrant because it reflects current parental decisions in a potentially ground-breaking manner.

2. Google search is a continually evolving process. And as long as it still remains the predominant search engine, it will be a law unto itself. Note the different result when using Ask Jeeves!

3. "... the harsh reality of the poor debate traffic both here and at BC may be more related to what parents are looking for in this [sic?] sites when it comes to circumcision."

"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance." Will Durant


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