Who should be circumcised - boys or men?

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Who should be circumcised - boys or men?
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Thu, 09-13-2012 - 7:46pm

As we all know, the AAP has now recommended that parents should consider circumcision for their boys - based on the erroneous African studies a few years ago.

In Tanzania male circumcision usually costs the equivalent of $10-17 in a country where 36% of the 44m population lives on less than $2 a day. But free adult circumcision is being supported by a $40m fund from the American government. Under the programme the aim is to circumcise 2.8 million men by 2015 - using female nurses who's training is being fast-tracked for lack of enough male doctors.

Thankfully, this does not include boys who are are not yet sexually active - which is significant when compared with the AAP's predilection for infant circumcision. Where is the reasoning behind the AAP's statement?

Men or boys... or none at all? If the foreskin harbours STDs why are British and European populations so sexually healthy, by and large?

Christopher

P.S. This is a repeat of my post on the Intact Foreskin Support section.

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Registered: 12-16-2004
Mon, 10-01-2012 - 4:19am

But sometimes due to clothing, it can become a bit cheesy, not everyone runs around in a kilt. :smileywink:

I am in Sweden, we are pretty laid back when it comes to nudity and the biology of humans.

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Registered: 04-23-2010
Mon, 10-01-2012 - 2:25am
It's not exactly the same in the UK, there's still way more "medical" circumcisions being performed on children than their should be.
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 2:23am
I would never argue that it's preferable overall to an adult circumcision, but that doesn't mean I can't point out benefits over adult circumcision in regards to some issues.

You have confidence in the rest of the world that I do not. Silence means very little to me, sure, it's better than a round of applause, but silence on a major health organization endorsing genital mutilation as beneficial and ethical? It's more of the same apathetic attitudes that allows this practice to go on where it goes on. While they're silently disapproving, there are many people in this country desperately using this corrupt org.'s policy as validation for what they've done and plan to do. Some help their silence is, some help their silence has been. The world's health organizations that disapprove of this and yet keep their disapproval silent or restrained, should be ashamed of themselves. They all know it happens and they know how wrong it is and do nothing about it because it's not in their backyard. They value borders, politics, and religious sensitivities over their conscience. Any action short of overt outrage and admonishment for those who condone and perform non-consenting circumcisions is shameful. The world is not our ally, they're cowards.
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Mon, 10-01-2012 - 12:03am

Misstrygg.... I know how Scandinavian men - and boys - grow up with healthy penises! It's the same in the UK.

Have you considered the fact that a normal penis is self-cleaning?

Christopher

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Sun, 09-30-2012 - 11:45pm

Mark, I'm happy to agree to a mutual understanding - call it a 'truce' if that's acceptable! We have covered our personal experience and consequences of circumcision - you as a boy, I as an adult.

My only remaining issue is that I see NO advantage to boy's circumcision over its adult equivalent.

It all comes down to the ABILITY of an adult to endure circumcision in the supposed belief that his foreskin should be removed to prevent him infecting a female partner in the act of sexual intercourse. The AAP advises parents to consider circumcising their infant boys. A boy will get erections from the moment he is born - but it's ridiculous to suggest, by implication, that he has the ability to impregnate a female.

The AAP's current statement on circumcision has deservedly been met with total silence across the world. It's in danger of world-wide ridicule unless it modifies its foolish conclusions.

Christopher

"Education is the discovery of our own ignorance." Will Durant


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Sun, 09-30-2012 - 11:15am

Well  I know why Scandinavian men are healthy with a foreskin,  boys are taught how to clean them self, use condoms and also it is a much more relaxed view to the nude body here.  Sexual  education here is based on facts, medical facts and also biology.

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Sat, 09-29-2012 - 11:09pm
And I listed that as an advantage of adult circumcision. Like I said, I wasn't trying to make an argument for infant circumcision, I was simply trying to make an honest attempt at comparing the two procedures the best I could, without making the ethics argument. Obviously I can't escape my bias against circumcision, but I'm not going to be unfair and ignore that there are some advantages to infant circ over adult circ, but I made it clear that I think the overall advantages of adult circ dwarf the advantages of infant circ.

As far as I can glean, that claim doesn't seem to be based on much, but it makes no difference to me now because I haven't really done it since I was a teenager. I do believe it can be harmful though, and that's how I started out masturbating, and I don't think I would have if I wasn't circumcised. So I reiterate my point that I think infant/child circ can lead to harmful masturbation habits at a time when there should be healthy sexual discovery.

I don't know, I was just defending my points.
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Sat, 09-29-2012 - 10:33pm
xxxs wrote:

Yes adults feel much pain from circumcision as well as problems with erections not as bad as say, an infected tooth but annoying.


No, adult circumcision pain is equally as bad as an infected tooth - but not as long-lasting, unless we have the tooth extracted without delay.

But just as adults have to endure toothache, so must they cope with the pain of an excised foreskin. Both are manageable because we are adults. We don't cry like a teething baby, nor do we scream like a boy being circumcised.

Christopher

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Sat, 09-29-2012 - 10:21pm
markh85 wrote:

Of course we can't know exactly what infants go through post-op, I was merely trying to point out that erections during post-op is a complication that infants probably don't have, or at least it's not nearly as problematic as it is for adults.

Like I said, I did prone masturbation. You can google it if you don't know what it is.

And all I'm saying is that a male circumcised as an adult is required to take any pain and all its consequent problems, whether he wanted the circumcision or not. More importantly, he has the ability to do so and understand why he must suffer.

I know what prone masturbation is (and I initially tried something similar using the cardboard tube of an empty toilet roll, in a foolish attempt to simulate a vagina), but thrusting against a bed sheet or pillow will leave a mess, unless you protect it with an old dish towel or something disposable. Also there is evidence that prone masturbation may cause TMS. You can Google it if you need to understand what it is.

But what's the point of arguing over such details when we're both on the same side of the circumcision fence?

Christopher

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Fri, 09-28-2012 - 1:52am

Yes adults feel much pain from circumcision as well as problems with erections not as bad as say, an infected tooth but annoying.

 

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