21 to Buy Cigarettes

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Tue, 11-05-2013 - 9:01am

Buying cigarettes in New York City is about to become a lot harder for young people, as lawmakers on Wednesday adopted the strictest limits on tobacco purchases of any major American city.

The legal age for buying tobacco, including cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos will rise to 21, from 18, under a bill adopted by the City Council and which Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has said he would sign. The new minimum age will take effect six months after signing.

New York Raising Age to Buy Cigarettes to 21- http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/nyregion/new-york-approves-law-to-raise-tobacco-purchasing-age-to-21.html?_r=0

What do you think?  Do you agree with this new policy?

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Mon, 11-11-2013 - 12:21pm
mhm127 wrote:
  It doesn't work <em>now</em>, outlawing them till 18.  Kids can still get cigarettes. There may be a small percentage of teenagers who don't know someone 21 or older that will buy their ciggies, but teens are wily and will find a way. </p><p>Like a pp said, it should not be simply purchasing them, but possessing them that will make it much harder. AND taxing the heck out of them.</p><p>However, I'm still a fan of this measure, only because it's a step in the right direction. </p>

Do you have any support for this?

If it worked, it would not be necessary to consider raising the age of purchase further, would it? There would be no kids under 18 with cigarettes. The very fact that NY is considering this measure is support that what is currently in place is not working.  It's like Obamacare. ;)

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Mon, 11-11-2013 - 11:38am

Because kids who smoke now are already breaking the law. Raising the smoking age won't change that. What does work, as I said in my previous post, is making cigarettes more expensive by taxing them so heavily teens can't afford them.

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Sat, 11-09-2013 - 8:44am
Hats off to NY too.

 

 

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Sat, 11-09-2013 - 8:22am

jamblessedthree wrote:
  My kids see kids smoke outside their high school and they call it gross.  Would we (society) be as passive if it were alchohol?</p><p> </p>

Good kids!  You're doing a great job, Jamblessed.  Alcohol and nicotine ~ both addictive but our government simply cannot eliminate them from the market, just regulate them.  I agree, we parents have this responsibility ~ to teach kids cigarette smoking is gross, basically.  You're the first person to bring up educating and the job of the parent. 

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Sat, 11-09-2013 - 8:18am

mhm127 wrote:
  It doesn't work <em>now</em>, outlawing them till 18.  Kids can still get cigarettes. There may be a small percentage of teenagers who don't know someone 21 or older that will buy their ciggies, but teens are wily and will find a way. </p><p>Like a pp said, it should not be simply purchasing them, but possessing them that will make it much harder. AND taxing the heck out of them.</p><p>However, I'm still a fan of this measure, only because it's a step in the right direction. </p>

Do you have any support for this?

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Sat, 11-09-2013 - 8:16am

jamblessedthree wrote:
Ideally cigarettes are too expensive for kids to buy to begin with. I don't think that's the issue. Kids that smoke have parents in the house that smoke too, The habit can't be curbed by making it less affordable for a kid.

So right, Jamblessed.  It would be nice if hi taxation alone discouraged kids from smoking.  It obviously doesn't do the job.  All efforts should be combined ~ hi taxation, raising the age to purchase, education.  No one here can explain how raising the age to purchase cigarettes is not a huge part of the equation of outlawing tween and teen-age smoking.

Al Gore's family made its fortune growing tobacco and killing people.  It wasn't until Al Gore's own sister died of lung cancer that the Gore family stopped growing tobacco.  It was okay if the Gores killed many with cigarettes.  But it was apparently not okay when Al Gore's sister died from smoking.

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Fri, 11-08-2013 - 8:19pm

thardy2001 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">emptynester2009</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size:medium"&gt;I am not a fan of limiting adult rights to omit subsets of adults.  You are either an adult with the responsibilies and rights that go along with that or you are not.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size:medium"&gt;While I do agree with the older drinking age that is because we have the stats to prove that deaths did go up when the drinking age was lowered.   That included many other people not just the person doing the drinking.  The smoking issue only involves the person smoking.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size:medium"&gt;If they want to chip away at the adult rights for the 18-21 crowd then they should just change the legal age of adulthood to 21 in their state.   Instead what they are doing is limiting rights but not responsibilities.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p>But if you ask most adult smokers when they started smoking, they probably won't say age 21.  Or even 18.  After the first few weeks of smoking cigarettes, I do believe smoking is no longer really a choice for most people.  </p>

My kids see kids smoke outside their high school and they call it gross.  Would we (society) be as passive if it were alchohol?

 

 


 


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Fri, 11-08-2013 - 8:07pm
Ideally cigarettes are too expensive for kids to buy to begin with. I don't think that's the issue. Kids that smoke have parents in the house that smoke too, The habit can't be curbed by making it less affordable for a kid.

 


 


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Fri, 11-08-2013 - 4:14pm

<<How could outlawing cigarettes until age 21 not work?   (Whether cigarettes are taxed highly or not highly.)>>

It doesn't work now, outlawing them till 18.  Kids can still get cigarettes. There may be a small percentage of teenagers who don't know someone 21 or older that will buy their ciggies, but teens are wily and will find a way.

Like a pp said, it should not be simply purchasing them, but possessing them that will make it much harder. AND taxing the heck out of them.

However, I'm still a fan of this measure, only because it's a step in the right direction.

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Fri, 11-08-2013 - 12:26pm

ashmama wrote:
<p>"But if you ask most adult smokers when they started smoking, they probably won't say age 21.  Or even 18.  After the first few weeks of smoking cigarettes, I do believe smoking is no longer really a choice for most people."</p><p>Exactly, which is why changing the legal age for smoking will not work. What does work is taxing the heck out of cigarettes and making them too expensive for most teens. The states with the most expensive cigarettes have the lowest smoking rates.</p>

How could outlawing cigarettes until age 21 not work?   (Whether cigarettes are taxed highly or not highly.)

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