Abolish Tipping?

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Abolish Tipping?
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Thu, 06-13-2013 - 8:28am

Imagine that the next time you went out for a nice meal, the tip line had disappeared from the bottom of the receipt. Admit it, after some initial puzzlement, you’d probably feel a sense of relief—and that’s exactly what happened to diners at a high-end sushi restaurant in New York City, Sushi Yasuda, which recently eliminated tipping and integrated the cost of the service into the food, in an effort to give diners more of a true Japanese dining experience.

http://www.today.com/food/should-american-restaurants-abolish-tipping-6C10285252

How would you feel if American restaurants abolished tipping? Good idea or bad?

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Registered: 08-22-2009
Thu, 06-13-2013 - 8:38am

I think that like any changes it would seem weird  at first but as everyone got used to it it would feel normal.  There are already food situatons where we do not tip, most commonly fast food.

I lived in Japan and Turkey where we did not tip.

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Registered: 09-01-2002
Thu, 06-13-2013 - 8:58am

I think it's a great idea. 

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Registered: 07-26-1999
Thu, 06-13-2013 - 10:46am

My brother was a waiter for years, and we discussed this general idea a few weeks ago, about upping the minimum wage for servers and either getting rid of tips, or leaving as is and he brought up many of the points in the article.  What happens to all those servers who get by with the minimal amount of effort at the table then, they have no incentive to be better or treat the customers well.  Unless there is strict management control making sure the dining experience is pleasurable, what happens, people either end up paying for crappy service, or they will stop frequenting that restaurant.  I understand the concept of those people who dine and then tip very low, for whatever reason.  I hate to say it, but many employees in the U.S., especially in the service industry like restaurants, are money motivated and being tipped the same amount regardless of how well you serve the customer takes the motivation away.

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Thu, 06-13-2013 - 8:27pm

arryl wrote:
<p>My brother was a waiter for years, and we discussed this general idea a few weeks ago, about upping the minimum wage for servers and either getting rid of tips, or leaving as is and he brought up many of the points in the article.  What happens to all those servers who get by with the minimal amount of effort at the table then, they have no incentive to be better or treat the customers well.  Unless there is strict management control making sure the dining experience is pleasurable, what happens, people either end up paying for crappy service, or they will stop frequenting that restaurant.  I understand the concept of those people who dine and then tip very low, for whatever reason.  I hate to say it, but many employees in the U.S., especially in the service industry like restaurants, are money motivated and being tipped the same amount regardless of how well you serve the customer takes the motivation away.</p>

Wouldn't those issues be handled the same way they are in other jobs, you suck at your job, you get fired.    The vast majority of workers do their jobs every day without needing a tip as an incentive to do it well.

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Fri, 06-14-2013 - 7:51am
There's a lot of gray, I think people would still tip regardless of what the service worker was getting paid.

 


 


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Fri, 06-14-2013 - 7:56am
Did you chose not to tip in Japan or was it forbidden?

 


 


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Registered: 08-22-2009
Fri, 06-14-2013 - 8:19am

jamblessedthree wrote:
Did you chose not to tip in Japan or was it forbidden?

  It was so long ago that I did not remember we did not tip. I was reminded in the OP that said they were trying to mimic a true Japanese experience.

  In Turkey you do not wait staff but you do tip taxi drivers and the tip is usually significant, Often more that the actual fare, But the fare plus the tip was usually less than $5 (20 years ago).

  I do not know if it was forbidden but it was the custom and we chose to follow the customs of the places we are living as much as possible,  To not follow an established custom can be seen as an insult. 

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Registered: 07-26-1999
Fri, 06-14-2013 - 12:22pm

emptynester2009 wrote:
<p><blockquote class="quote-msg quote-nest-1 odd"><div class="quote-author"><em class="placeholder">arryl</em> wrote:</div>&lt;p&gt;My brother was a waiter for years, and we discussed this general idea a few weeks ago, about upping the minimum wage for servers and either getting rid of tips, or leaving as is and he brought up many of the points in the article.  What happens to all those servers who get by with the minimal amount of effort at the table then, they have no incentive to be better or treat the customers well.  Unless there is strict management control making sure the dining experience is pleasurable, what happens, people either end up paying for crappy service, or they will stop frequenting that restaurant.  I understand the concept of those people who dine and then tip very low, for whatever reason.  I hate to say it, but many employees in the U.S., especially in the service industry like restaurants, are money motivated and being tipped the same amount regardless of how well you serve the customer takes the motivation away.&lt;/p&gt;</blockquote></p><p><span style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif; font-size:medium">Wouldn't those issues be handled the same way they are in other jobs, you suck at your job, you get fired.    The vast majority of workers do their jobs every day without needing a tip as an incentive to do it well. </span></p>

You would think so, but apparently not because even now with tipping there are plenty of sub par waitresses and waiters, and depending on their management that is overseeing them, they are not necessarily let go.  My ODD had a girl on her cheer squad who's mother happened to be a FB friend of mind.  SHe is constantly complaining about her DD and how she works at a 3 star restaurant, how she barely makes any tips and how in the world could people be so bad as to leave a $5 tip for a $100 meal.  Well, first of all, its not a $100 meal, if its a whole family possible, but a meal is not $100, second of all, her dd has had at least 6 jobs since she turned 16, and third, if she's constantly getting small tips, maybe its that she's not that good of a server (which she's not, we've been into the restaurant on night's she's a server and seen her in action), get a clue, don't sit and complain about it on FB.  Our IHOP, or most we've been too, are notorious for bad service, but those servers still stay around for quite a while even if they don't get good tips because regardless of how good the service is, it still tends to stay busy quite often so it ends up being a wash for the servers. 

Now in the higher end restaurants, yes, I can easily see getting rid of tipping, they usually have tigher controls on their employees and service because of the quality restaurant they are, but at less than 3 or 4 start restaurants, I don't see it happening.

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Fri, 06-14-2013 - 1:47pm

Another example would be McDonalds.  You don't get waited on at a table there, but your order is taken at the counter, and they make at least minimum wage if not more.  However, their service is notoriously bad,

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/mcdonalds-executive-says-service-broken-1C9327907

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