Ban smoking in car with kids?

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Ban smoking in car with kids?
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Thu, 03-14-2013 - 2:52pm

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Adults who smoke in a car with a child could face hundreds of dollars in fines under a bill approved Wednesday in the Oregon Senate.

If the House gives its approval and Gov. John Kitzhaber signs the bill, Oregon would join four other states with similar measures. Violators would face a maximum fine of $250 for a first offense and $500 for subsequent offenses.

The Senate's 19-10 vote Wednesday did not follow party lines.

Proponents said secondhand smoke is harmful, and minors shouldn't be subjected to health hazards because of their parents' decision to smoke. They say smoke can be trapped inside a vehicle and pool in the back seat where children often sit.

Oregon senate votes to ban smoking in car with kids- http://www.katu.com/politics/Oregon-Senate-votes-to-ban-smoking-in-car-with-kids-197833801.html

What do you think? Should smoking with children in the car be banned?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-16-2009
Fri, 03-15-2013 - 1:44pm
It is here. You can not smoke in a car if there are minors in the car.
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Registered: 08-18-2004
Sat, 03-16-2013 - 7:17pm
It's a stupid law. So some parents quit smoking in the car, big deal. I imagine they spend more time smoking in their house with the kids, so where is the health benefit?
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Registered: 04-16-2009
Mon, 03-18-2013 - 5:11pm

A car is a  confined space; smoke has nowhere. IIf the windows are open, air flow about the car will force the smoke back towards the backseats.

In a house, a child can move away from a parent smoking. He can go into another room or the parent can also go outside etc.. The space is less confined; there is better airflow.

Plus, the law is trageted at all adults, not only parents driving their own children.

So no, it is not a stupid law.

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Registered: 08-18-2004
Mon, 03-18-2013 - 7:39pm
I think it's about as stupid as the big brother law in NY regarding sugary drinks. Neither law affects me, but I disagree with more and more gov't intrusion into personal lives. And I'm not sure about your view that open windows allow smoke to gather in the back. I guess it would depend on "how" open they are.
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Registered: 12-17-2003
Tue, 03-19-2013 - 8:31am

I think it's about as stupid as the big brother law in NY regarding sugary drinks. Neither law affects me, but I disagree with more and more gov't intrusion into personal lives.

Totally agree.

 And I'm not sure about your view that open windows allow smoke to gather in the back. I guess it would depend on "how" open they are.

Well, I smoked for years, and if a car is moving, the smoke is actually drawn out of the car. Plus, one learns very quickly how to crack a window and keep the cigarette angled so the smoke goes out the car.

If the car is stopped or moving slowly, the window stops most of the smoke from coming back into the car (if the window is cracked. lol ... we did this because even without children, we didn't want a smoked filled car, smoke in our eyes or sparks to come back into the car.

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Tue, 03-19-2013 - 8:40am

In a house, a child can move away from a parent smoking. He can go into another room or the parent can also go outside etc.. The space is less confined; there is better airflow.

Were you ever a smoker or have you ever been exposed to smoker? I ask because the above statement makes no sense. Smoking are children is not a smart thing to do regardless of where one might be. Even smoke on clothes can harm a child.

However, this air flow claim? My fil use to smoke in our house, downstairs, in a sunroom addition, which I add because the wall between the sunroom and house is an outside wall, heavily insulated and such ... anyway, when he smoked there, you could smell smoke all throughout the house. And this was with 6 large windows open.

Now, my oldest son tries to sneak a cigarette in the same area of the house and it's the same scenario. Even smoking on our deck or outside any door, you can smell it throughout a few rooms in the house.

So, honestly, this idea a car is worse then in a home where you can just go to another room, is just illogical. One could also claim that in a car, even with closed windows, one is heavily exposed, but for a shorter amount of time then if they lived with a smoker where exposure is more consistent.

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Registered: 09-01-2002
Tue, 03-19-2013 - 1:17pm

shouldbe_rich wrote:
I think it's about as stupid as the big brother law in NY regarding sugary drinks. Neither law affects me, but I disagree with more and more gov't intrusion into personal lives. And I'm not sure about your view that open windows allow smoke to gather in the back. I guess it would depend on "how" open they are.

It's unjustifiable government intrusion too when tax dollars are diverted to treat smokers and the obese.  Avoidable habits.  The number of smokers went down considerably when smoking was banned from public places.  The same may come about with sugary drinks.  That state also successfully banned trans fats. 

I think this will pass the next round of appeals.  And enormous sin taxes will help too.

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Registered: 09-01-2002
Tue, 03-19-2013 - 1:35pm

I've been in the back seat when a driver's been smoking and smoke seemed to collect in the back seat.  Opening windows didn't help.  A day like today where I am ~ rain.  And long cold winters.  You can't open car windows at those times.  It would be nice if the legislatures didn't have to legislate common courtesy to our children.  Children can't always speak up for themselves.  I thought not smoking around children was common sense.

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Registered: 04-16-2009
Tue, 03-19-2013 - 3:58pm

It is not just my "view". I was not going to go into a description of the physics of turbullent air flow, the currents about a moving car with or without open windows and the air flow in a car's ventilation system. It would bore people and this is not the place for that.  

All laws involve some aspects of limiting the rights of individuals to do whatever they want, whenever they want for the common good. This is just, in my opinion, another example of the government balancing the rights of competiting groups (smokers versus children) for the common good, with solid science behind the law.

It would be great if this law was not required and that education into the dangers of second-hand smoke was all that was needed.  But,that is not the case.

As for the large sugary drinks, a better ploy, I would think, would be to levy an additional tax on those drinks and other snack foods with the revenues from that tax going exclusively to the health care system.

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Tue, 03-19-2013 - 7:24pm

I don't think anyone is arguing the fact second hand smoke is unhealthy to nonsmokers, which includes children. It's just if parents smoke in the car and at home, what health benefits exists if smoking in a car with children is banned?

And yes, a car can be enclosed and of course will fill with smoke .... having smoked for years, I can say there's ways to avoid this.

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