Death Penalty for Penn State?

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Death Penalty for Penn State?
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Thu, 07-12-2012 - 5:11pm

There was this big, respected university with an iconic legend as its football coach.

It also had a pedophile operating in its program.

School officials knew this back in 1998 and covered it up.

They chose this “humane” route of covering up, turning their backs and protecting themselves rather than kids for more than a decade as boys went on being raped in the campus showers and on football trips. They did this because it benefited them, was easier for them and protected what they valued most — the football program.

Penn State should get death penalty- http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-football-privileges-dealth-penalty-in-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212

 

The author goes on to say that she believes the football program needs to come to an end at this time, partly because it will send a strong message to other schools and institutions.  She also says "A big reason this was allowed to happen was because the whole economy of Penn State was football. If you take that away, they might learn."

Do you agree?

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 9:33pm

In 1998 there was a lack of evidence.  The system that was in place at that time was used.  It is very easy to have 20-20 hindsight.  In 2011 there were adults who were bringing new charges.  But the guilty person has been tried and convicted.  Punishing the innocent is not the way of justice. 

dragowoman

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Registered: 08-27-2001
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 9:57pm
I agree with you that punishing the current players is not just, but I think there ares everal others also liabke for allowing it to continue. Beginning in 1995 people who worked with kids became mandatory reporters of child abuse. That mean you don't go to your supervisor or anyone else. You go right to the authorities. I suspect that if an of the adults who had a sense something was wrong had shated what they knew, the charges would have stuck.

To me, this isn't about whether football is important or not. It's about the responsibility we have to each other as humans and in particulsr, the need of society to protect our most vulnerable. That wasn't done and it could have been.
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Registered: 05-25-2004
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 10:16pm

Sandusky was not the only guilty party. Those who knew and did nothing are also guilty. They are not innocent. People at the university who should have come forward kept their mouths shut. 

Do you have any idea how sexual abuse will affect the innocent children for the rest of their lives? They will be hurt by this forever. It's not as if someone stole the milk money, or ran a red light. He RAPED children and others who knew did nothing to stop it. Those kids have to live with it forever. Placing some sanctions on Penn State is merely a slap on the wrist. Did you  notice how quickly Penn State accepted the sanctions? They were glad they didn't get anything worse. An institution that covers up child rape cannot possibly claim that the innocent are being punished.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 10:30pm

The truth is none of the players,nor students,nor coaches,were there.  They did no wrong.   The program followed the rules so yes they are innocent. The NCAA is being a bully.  Destroying a program that does not deserve it. As it is only one person says that they witnessed any action that was out of line. Of course they caved in mob thinking is like that. The Mob just wants blood any blood will do. 

dragowoman

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Wed, 08-01-2012 - 10:52am

When I read this, nothing else seems to matter and the defense is making excuses for what happened to these boys. Even this was even reported once, in 1998, this should have put everyone on high alert. Yet, the abuse went on for years afterward. And who cares if they followed procedure. Obviously, this procedure did nothing to keep these boys safe.

"Unfortunately, that is far from the investigation’s worst discovery. As if allowing an adult to continue sexually abusing children for more than a decade wasn’t bad enough, these officials somehow managed to put Mr. Sandusky’s victims at even greater risk. In 2001, for instance, after an assistant reported seeing Mr. Sandusky in the shower sexually assaulting a boy, the only person these men alerted was Mr. Sandusky himself, the only one who knew the boy’s identity. That Penn State’s administrators and coaches would actively engage in a cover-up is unconscionable, but their “striking lackof empathy” for the victims is horrifying.http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/penn-state-scandal-more-shocking-relevations/2012/07/12/gJQAbZEOgW_story.html"





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Wed, 08-01-2012 - 11:19am
ommy94 wrote:

When I read this, nothing else seems to matter and the defense is making excuses for what happened to these boys. Even this was even reported once, in 1998, this should have put everyone on high alert. Yet, the abuse went on for years afterward. And who cares if they followed procedure. Obviously, this procedure did nothing to keep these boys safe.

"Unfortunately, that is far from the investigation’s worst discovery. As if allowing an adult to continue sexually abusing children for more than a decade wasn’t bad enough, these officials somehow managed to put Mr. Sandusky’s victims at even greater risk. In 2001, for instance, after an assistant reported seeing Mr. Sandusky in the shower sexually assaulting a boy, the only person these men alerted was Mr. Sandusky himself, the only one who knew the boy’s identity. That Penn State’s administrators and coaches would actively engage in a cover-up is unconscionable, but their “striking lackof empathy” for the victims is horrifying.http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/penn-state-scandal-more-shocking-relevations/2012/07/12/gJQAbZEOgW_story.html"






I don't think anyone here is arguing that what happened to these boys wasn't horrific, or even that the lack of reporting wasn't morally deplorable.....I think what people here are saying is that the penalties handed down by the NCAA are punishing the innocent (current students, athletes, teachers, coaches, etc.) and not helping the true victims in this situation.

With the exception of the $60M fine which will be put towards Child Abuse charities can you tell us how the imposed sanctions on PSU help the victims or even punish the "monsters" (either Sandusky or those who failed to report)?

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Wed, 08-01-2012 - 1:04pm

newlywed, I was actually responding to specific statements about the situation being reporting in 1998, as if this was enough. There were also statements made to the effect that proper procedure was followed. If proper procedure was followed, it s clear, it wasn't enough, furthering my thoughts that more people failed these children then those directly involved.

Since this was reported, I would think everyone would be on high alert. IMO, this shifts my ideas on who should be involved in the punishments and who was responsible for the situation.

I wasn't commenting on whether or not people found it horrific or not.

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Wed, 08-01-2012 - 1:17pm

Washington Post's story is not a credible one

Says who? lol ... it's one of the countries leading newspapers, but somehow, because you don't agree with it, you can't come up with anything better then to attack it's credibility?

I find the opinion it's not credible ... not credible.

And really, how do you know what administrators felt? Were you there? Do you know them? Are you a reporter? Did you perform a thorough investigation into the fact? Did you meet with the board? How do you know how they responded? Are you part of the community? Did you go to Penn State? Do you know anyone involved at all?   Are you a credible source?

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Wed, 08-01-2012 - 2:18pm

What are you talking about Jams? Everything offered here, is someone's "opinion" ... lol The article is someone's opinion based on the facts. You may as well say everyone's report is someone's opinion. You are actually stating a top newspapers has no credibility ... that doesn't even make sense. We may as well chuck everyone's opinion then and close up the board. :smileywink:

As far as how I took anything, I posted my thoughts. Feel free to comment if you like. But, hey, if you want to continue to question the credibility of the Washington Post, I will go back to questioning your credibility concerning your opinions. *shrug*

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Wed, 08-01-2012 - 2:50pm

kudos to ommy94 for the link to the WP op ed!  It was not as good a piece of writing as I expected.   It will be years before all of this is out before the public.  However, the present people had nothing to do with the happinings.  Punishing the innocent is not the way to go.  The NCAA needs to put the punishments of those guilty.  In this case they are exceeding their mandate to boot! 

dragowoman

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