Death Penalty for Penn State?

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Death Penalty for Penn State?
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Thu, 07-12-2012 - 5:11pm

There was this big, respected university with an iconic legend as its football coach.

It also had a pedophile operating in its program.

School officials knew this back in 1998 and covered it up.

They chose this “humane” route of covering up, turning their backs and protecting themselves rather than kids for more than a decade as boys went on being raped in the campus showers and on football trips. They did this because it benefited them, was easier for them and protected what they valued most — the football program.

Penn State should get death penalty- http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-football-privileges-dealth-penalty-in-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212

 

The author goes on to say that she believes the football program needs to come to an end at this time, partly because it will send a strong message to other schools and institutions.  She also says "A big reason this was allowed to happen was because the whole economy of Penn State was football. If you take that away, they might learn."

Do you agree?

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Thu, 08-02-2012 - 8:47pm

xxxs, I am not talking about legal procedures. I am speaking of procedures within the administration. All I am saying is back in 1998, regardless of the outcome of that investigation, I would think everyone involved would have been on high alert. And, in that sense, if the procedures weren't sufficient, the administration certainly could have devised stricter regulations at that time. It's really insufficient for someone today to claim someone in 1998 followed procedure.

I just don't think it's enough for anyone to say they followed procedure and then, turn their backs.

Punishing the present day students,coaches,players and alumni is unjust.

I don't know any other way to handle the situation considering the time it took for everything to come to knowledge and for the courts to see it through.

I just don't think the penalties are all that unrealistic considering the circumstances.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Thu, 08-02-2012 - 10:13pm

Well, of course we, aren't we? If you want to claim the NCAA overstepped it's boundaries in this situation, and they are there to protect the athletes .... well, gee, I am not sure how you can claim this has nothing to do with the athletes. The violation was against athletes.

  No it was not.  Not college athletes.

Ok, so, if we go with this, how to expect them to regulate anything if they unable to handle disciplinary actions?

  This is a criminal action falling under the laws of the state of Pennsylvania. 

Google NCAA read their website.

chaika

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Thu, 08-02-2012 - 10:24pm

" I would think everyone involved would have been on high alert."   

     No the charges were investigated and dropped.   This is much like the human mentality.  the fable of the boy who cried wolf comes to mind. 

 

  

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

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There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!"

The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.

"Don't cry 'wolf', shepherd boy," said the villagers, "when there's no wolf!" They went grumbling back down the hill.

Later, the boy sang out again, "Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!" To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.

When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, "Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don't cry 'wolf' when there is NO wolf!"

But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.

Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, "Wolf! Wolf!"

But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn't come.

At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn't returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.

"There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, "Wolf!" Why didn't you come?"

An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.

"We'll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning," he said, putting his arm around the youth, "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"

 

  The human person will not be on alert for a danger that is not apparent. 

chaika

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Fri, 08-03-2012 - 6:45am

Google NCAA read their website.

lol ... I already did.

This is a criminal action falling under the laws of the state of Pennsylvania.

I don't know how to word this and I know you are a lawyer, but stating everything as fact, that is more of your opinion, isn't really convincing me of anything. Obviously, there's lawyers out there that disagree with you.

It wasn't college athletes? Just students? Does it matter?

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Fri, 08-03-2012 - 6:56am

Sorry, this is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen. :smileyvery-happy: You claimed, somewhere in this thread, this isn't an emotional issue, yet your posts read as being highly charged and highly emotional.

Your statements are extremely repetitious. As I said, I don't care if the charges were dropped. I don't care if the guy was innocent and I certainly don't care about fairy tales, lol ...... anyone with half a brain would have taken this matter extremely seriously and remained on high alert. As a lawyer, I have no idea why you would contest that statement. Look at this way ... change up the story ... what is the man, using the word lightly, was innocent, yet accusations kept pouring in?

It's about using one's brains and protecting everyone involved.

And the odd thing here, is maybe you think you are convincing people your view is right. But, you're really convincing me people are more concerned with money then the safety of any of the children involved. You are also convincing me backs were turned because no one would suggest anything other then school should have been more vigilant when the man was initially accused ... as I said, if for any other reason then to protect him .. lol ... it just looks like the covered it up and played ignorant.

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Fri, 08-03-2012 - 3:46pm

ommy94, I agree with you. Just wanted you to know.

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Fri, 08-03-2012 - 3:48pm

There is no reason for any one to believe unfounded accusations after the same accusation was discovered to be false.  People have their own jobs to do.  Not worry about what was not a fact. 

chaika

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Fri, 08-03-2012 - 6:28pm

There is no reason for any one to believe unfounded accusations after the same accusation was discovered to be false.  People have their own jobs to do.  Not worry about what was not a fact.

Please don't confuse what I say. For one thing, it turned out to be a fact, lol and another thing, it's common sense to cover everyone's behind. If you think that means everyone sit around worrying, well, I guess there's a bigger problem then what I thought. Protecting students at any school should be expected, not questioned as to weather or not it's important.  If you don't see the logic in that, then there's really not much more to discuss.

Oh, btw, just because there wasn't enough evidence, does not mean the man was innocent ... lol .. and yeah, again, turns out he wasn't. So again, let me ask you, what if this man was innocent and accusations kept pouring in? The lack of adequate procedures was clearly not in place. They all turned their heads. Proper care in this matter would protect everyone.

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Fri, 08-03-2012 - 6:33pm

Thank you :smileyhappy:

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Fri, 08-03-2012 - 6:52pm

What Penn State students are you talking about?  In locos parentis?   My understanding is they were not Penn State students but part of another group of younger kids sponsered by a local group.

chaika

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