Death Penalty for Penn State?

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Death Penalty for Penn State?
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Thu, 07-12-2012 - 5:11pm

There was this big, respected university with an iconic legend as its football coach.

It also had a pedophile operating in its program.

School officials knew this back in 1998 and covered it up.

They chose this “humane” route of covering up, turning their backs and protecting themselves rather than kids for more than a decade as boys went on being raped in the campus showers and on football trips. They did this because it benefited them, was easier for them and protected what they valued most — the football program.

Penn State should get death penalty- http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-football-privileges-dealth-penalty-in-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212

 

The author goes on to say that she believes the football program needs to come to an end at this time, partly because it will send a strong message to other schools and institutions.  She also says "A big reason this was allowed to happen was because the whole economy of Penn State was football. If you take that away, they might learn."

Do you agree?

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Fri, 08-10-2012 - 8:47am

I see your point, but to be honest, at this point, I feel I've stated my opinion and really have nothing more to say.

I do not find this appeal a big ah-ha moment as others do. The fact some feel the NCAA over stepped it's bounds isn't new to the debate or impacts how people feel about the punishment handed out. I think, regardless of what the findings are, it's still debatable as to what is fair and what is not.

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Thu, 08-09-2012 - 3:00pm
To say that they are shutting down the university is to say that universities that don't benefit from the income of division one sports are non-functional. The NCAA doesn't owe anyone an income. If the university is relying heavily on income from football, it needs to hold the program to the university's ethical standards and police itself so an outside body won't have to.

As to disregarding the alumnus' letter, replace 1998 with 2001 and read it again. How does that change the meaning of the letter? Mixed up dates? Editing mistake? People paid by the Penn State football program allowed a man o bring children on campus and rape them. For years.

I do not support he cOnsequences being brought upon current players. They were youn children when much of this went on and they worked very hard to get where they are. But for the football program I have no sympathy. They aided and abetted a serial child rapist. Everyone who knew and did not go to child protective service or the police should be in jail.

I just wanted to speak to what I perceive as a gross under reaction by some Penn State fans.
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Thu, 08-09-2012 - 2:33pm

Precisely The NCAA is not a law enforcement agency.  They did not even follow their procedures.  The NCAA needs to have their wing clipped. 

dragowoman

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Thu, 08-09-2012 - 2:03pm

Because the sanctions were "agreed upon" so quickly I guess I am surprised they are now being questioned.  But come to learn it was the President, not the board of trustees, that agreed to the sanctions.  And I for one am glad they are challenging the NCAA ruling.

Now on to that article by the alumni.....she needs to get her facts straight before posting things:

"That is the same type of legal-loophole thinking that Joe Paterno, Mike McQueary and other top officials who knew about Sandusky's behavior used when they "followed the letter of the law" and reported to their superiors that Sandusky may have done "something" to a boy in the shower that awful night in 1998. They reported this suspected rape to their bosses and then went home."

The incident she is talking about happened in 2001, not 1998.  An obvious mistake like this makes me disregard the rest of her article......perhaps she should do her homework before putting something in print.

 

"But to hear the indignant reaction of those in the Penn State family and in the media, you would think that the NCAA was shutting down the entire university. I just don't get it. We are talking about a university -- not one man, many men and women, an entire culture -- that allowed a former coach to repeatedly rape and abuse boys for decades on university property and school trips.

We are talking about a university (not just a football program) that covered up these crimes, allowing the football program to become a safe haven for a child rapist."

Huh?  The sanctions will effectively shut down the university.  By diminishing the football program you diminish the funds brought in that support other sports at the school.  By diminishing the football program you diminish the number of fans traveling to State College for the games thereby impacting the surrounding businesses (restaurants, hotels, shops, etc).  How is that not "shutting down the university"

Again, how did the university cover up these crimes when handful of people had knowledge of them (perhaps there are more, but obviously no one else has come forward).  I can't see how it makes sense to blame the entire university for the fault of a few?  Maybe the culture of the university was flawed, but again - that's not the "university".  When I hear university I think students, faculty, administrators.....it hardly makes sense to place blame on all of them.  The men that knew and didn't report appropriately (and I'm referring to the superiors above Joe Paterno) should be punished accordingly......but not by the NCAA.  And again, I'm not seeing how these sanctions impact the guilty AT ALL?!?!?!

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Thu, 08-09-2012 - 8:49am

I don't think it's surprising the board of trustees would appeal NCAA decisions, do you? I would think it expected considering what is at stake.

 

Arguing that the NCAA overstepped its bounds and has no right to butt into this criminal case is ridiculous. That is the same type of legal-loophole thinking that Joe Paterno, Mike McQueary and other top officials who knew about Sandusky's behavior used when they "followed the letter of the law" and reported to their superiors that Sandusky may have done "something" to a boy in the shower that awful night in 1998. They reported this suspected rape to their bosses and then went home.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/27/opinion/jones-penn-state-trustees/index.html

I think we got off easy.

But to hear the indignant reaction of those in the Penn State family and in the media, you would think that the NCAA was shutting down the entire university. I just don't get it. We are talking about a university -- not one man, many men and women, an entire culture -- that allowed a former coach to repeatedly rape and abuse boys for decades on university property and school trips.

We are talking about a university (not just a football program) that covered up these crimes, allowing the football program to become a safe haven for a child rapist. 



 

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Tue, 08-07-2012 - 1:47pm

Yes are a lot of reasons for the law suits.  The Ncaa did not follow it's own procedures. 

dragowoman

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Tue, 08-07-2012 - 1:37pm

Apparently members of the Board of Trustees agree that the NCAA is overstepping its boundaries and are appealing the sanctions:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240385/penn-state-nittany-lions-trustees-appeal-ncaa-vow-federal-lawsuit

Not that it will help anything for the upcoming school year, but maybe it can alleviate the negative impact for future years....

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Tue, 08-07-2012 - 10:35am

cute :smileywink:

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Sun, 08-05-2012 - 4:59pm

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Sun, 08-05-2012 - 1:14pm

:smileyvery-happy:

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