Death Penalty for Penn State?

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Registered: 07-05-2005
Death Penalty for Penn State?
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Thu, 07-12-2012 - 5:11pm

There was this big, respected university with an iconic legend as its football coach.

It also had a pedophile operating in its program.

School officials knew this back in 1998 and covered it up.

They chose this “humane” route of covering up, turning their backs and protecting themselves rather than kids for more than a decade as boys went on being raped in the campus showers and on football trips. They did this because it benefited them, was easier for them and protected what they valued most — the football program.

Penn State should get death penalty- http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-football-privileges-dealth-penalty-in-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212

 

The author goes on to say that she believes the football program needs to come to an end at this time, partly because it will send a strong message to other schools and institutions.  She also says "A big reason this was allowed to happen was because the whole economy of Penn State was football. If you take that away, they might learn."

Do you agree?

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 10:30pm

The truth is none of the players,nor students,nor coaches,were there.  They did no wrong.   The program followed the rules so yes they are innocent. The NCAA is being a bully.  Destroying a program that does not deserve it. As it is only one person says that they witnessed any action that was out of line. Of course they caved in mob thinking is like that. The Mob just wants blood any blood will do. 

chaika

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Registered: 05-25-2004
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 10:16pm

Sandusky was not the only guilty party. Those who knew and did nothing are also guilty. They are not innocent. People at the university who should have come forward kept their mouths shut. 

Do you have any idea how sexual abuse will affect the innocent children for the rest of their lives? They will be hurt by this forever. It's not as if someone stole the milk money, or ran a red light. He RAPED children and others who knew did nothing to stop it. Those kids have to live with it forever. Placing some sanctions on Penn State is merely a slap on the wrist. Did you  notice how quickly Penn State accepted the sanctions? They were glad they didn't get anything worse. An institution that covers up child rape cannot possibly claim that the innocent are being punished.

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Registered: 08-27-2001
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 9:57pm
I agree with you that punishing the current players is not just, but I think there ares everal others also liabke for allowing it to continue. Beginning in 1995 people who worked with kids became mandatory reporters of child abuse. That mean you don't go to your supervisor or anyone else. You go right to the authorities. I suspect that if an of the adults who had a sense something was wrong had shated what they knew, the charges would have stuck.

To me, this isn't about whether football is important or not. It's about the responsibility we have to each other as humans and in particulsr, the need of society to protect our most vulnerable. That wasn't done and it could have been.
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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 9:33pm

In 1998 there was a lack of evidence.  The system that was in place at that time was used.  It is very easy to have 20-20 hindsight.  In 2011 there were adults who were bringing new charges.  But the guilty person has been tried and convicted.  Punishing the innocent is not the way of justice. 

chaika

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Registered: 05-25-2004
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 9:19pm

No one did what they were supposed to do if children continued to be abused. There was an epic failure in the system.

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Registered: 12-17-2003
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 8:26pm

And why are sports important?

Maybe I don't have the facts clear. This was reporting in 1998? Did it continue after 1998? Then there's no excuse.

 

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Registered: 01-25-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 4:09pm

They followed the chain of command and it was reported to the police!  The prosecution(1998) did not file charges!  People did as they were supposed to do. 

chaika

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Registered: 10-06-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 3:44pm
babydance98 wrote:

Let's not forget who was really hurt here. It's the sexually abused children. Innocent children who had that taken away from them. They're the victims, not some football program.

I've never argued that the abused children weren't the victims....in fact if you read my original posts you'll see that I think we've been talking about the wrong thing from the beginning (namely - Penn State football and Joe Paterno).  From the minute this scandal broke you never heard about the children or the monster that violated them - rather you heard about Penn State football and the coach who "supposedly" didn't report anything.  The media took that and ran with it and now the children are often forgotten. 

This penalty from the NCAA only serves to put PSU football back in the spotlight.  Again, we're talking about the football program instead of the children.  BUT the violations did introduce a new set of victims.....those innocent students & the entire penn state community that will suffer because of these sanctions - which don't do anything to help the victims or punish the actual perpetrators.

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Registered: 10-06-2010
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 3:38pm
my4lovies wrote:
Reported to whom? If it wasn't reported to child protective service or the police it was inadequately addressed.

The 1998 incident was reported to the police and the DA dropped the charges for "lack of evidence."  I'm not saying this excuses the lack of reporting for the 2001 incident....but it begs to reason that if the 1998 allegations didn't stand, the 2001 may not either (at least in the minds of those deciding what to do with the information). 

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Registered: 05-25-2004
Tue, 07-31-2012 - 3:35pm

Fact check: it didn't stop in 1998. Joe Pa stated he regretted he didn't do more. So how can you sit here and defend all these people (and if you read the facts, there were a number of folks fired by the university over this for knowing and doing nothing) for knowing children were being abused and not going to the police?

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