The Mental Illness Dilemna

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The Mental Illness Dilemna
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Wed, 08-01-2012 - 10:51am

Advocates for the mentally ill are faced with a deep dilemma each time extreme and deadly crimes are perpetrated by those with a mental illness. Obviously, such acts are not sane or normal; it beggars common sense to suggest that a person who is thinking straight would choose to kill or wound dozens of strangers. And yet most mentally ill people — even those with conditions that have been linked to violence, such as addictions and schizophrenia — are no threat to anyone other than themselves.

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For the mentally ill, who might be seen as canaries in this coal mine, stigma serves to wall them off from the social support and medical care that are necessary to spur recovery and prevent illness from leading to tragedy. As a society, we need to understand that risk does not equal destiny — and that believing it does is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s not wrong to see schizophrenia as a disease or even to appreciate its association with violence, but to view people with schizophrenia as hopeless can in some cases worsen their course unnecessarily.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/31/mass-murder-and-mental-illness-the-interplay-of-stigma-culture-and-disease/?iid=hl-article-mostpop1#ixzz22J3U2hHn

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Mon, 08-13-2012 - 5:58pm

You are aware that you can hit the "Re:" symbol to see what post I am referring to, yes?

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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 8:12am

lol ... does it matter? Some of your posts go back to the beginning of the discussion and I see no reason to repeat myself over and over again. Especially, when you are just making the same comments over and over again. I simply do not have the time to thread back and figure out what you are talking about and what context you are in ... if you have that sort of time, that's great. I think it would be so much simpler if you actually addressed the post rather then dragging out issues that have already been resolved.

Seems weird to me people debate this way, but I guess it's because they can't, for whatever really comment on the what's being ask of them.

Maybe you missed my last post:

Not really, but if you say so. You said mental health would improve if schools taught resiliency. That hasn't been the case so, I am wondering how you would form a curriculum and test the students ... lol ... again, it's easy to know the answers, but how one reacts under extreme stress is quite different from a test.

So, how would you "test" a student. You can't possibly ask them to imagine event they would have a hard time getting over and you can't assume the stressors would be the same for all students.

Oh, and again, how would you handle parental support? How do you think lack of parental support effects these programs or even building a child's self esteem.

So again, you look through the list of what you posted as being important and show me some curriculum framework that would teach a child to be say ... more self confident. Show me how you would test this? How would you ensure the support system at home the child would need to be successful? And that is just one characteristic that effects how resilient a person can be. Oh, and don't forget the limitations any school counselor has and finally, please explain, down the line, how this teaching will be effective when you've been chiming in that mental illness is genetic? And apparently, that mental illness has a great deal to do or is effected by with how resilient one is.

I mean really, if mental health is greatly determined by genetics (according to you), then some pep talks from a school counselor isn't going to be the cure all.

 

 

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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 9:15am

I see no reason to repeat myself over and over again.

I was not reading the same thing over and over again, I was reading posts with completely different meanings and I was trying to understand what you were trying to say.

For example, in this post alone you say BOTH that it does not matter if I link to the post I replied to AND that it would be simpler if I did just that.

Why on earth would I want to create a curriculum and framework and testing criteria for teaching resilience in schools? And what does my ability or lack there of have to do with this debate? As I mentioned previously, I am not a professional educater, but I still think that presenting the concept resilience to classrooms of kids is a good idea.

FWIW I don't see what link there is between nurturing resilience and giving "a pep talk".

if mental health is greatly determined by genetics (according to you),

It's probably best to reframe from telling me what I think, since I would have to repeat myself or drag up old posts in order to rebut.

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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 4:34pm

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-bipolar-lens/201205/my-secret-weapon-against-depression

This article about how one person manages her depression explains rather well how I can believe that the disorder is predominantly biological, but that resilience can help manage the symptoms.

Here is a snip-it.

When I get global – nothing is good, everything is awful, the whole world is against me – I know what's going on.  The smartest thing I can say to myself is, "It's depression talking."

It's amazing what a difference it can make simply to name your opponent.

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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 4:37pm

I think the thread morphed into something else since you made that statement. I think how resilient a child is, even through a divorce, is dependent on others variables. When I was working, it always amazed me how some children could handle situations like this, with such grace, yet other children would be set off by a seemingly minor occurrence. I think, in general, what we find hard to bounce back from differs from person to person.

And, I guess I do disagree, in general, but I think that has just been covered to death. When we look at the characteristics that make up a resilient person, some people I do believe are just born a certain way, which makes them more resilient.

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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 4:47pm

Maybe we've just been lucky but school environments IME have always placed out there opportunities for resilience to work, Even kids that might need the most help are empowerd by school officials, teachers and counselors.  The trouble lies with parents

The funny thing is Jams ... is this is what I was saying all along ... lol

The elementary school here has an awesome adjustment counselor. I was not blaming schools.

IME have always placed out there opportunities for resilience to work,

I am not even sure what this means. How do they place out there resiliency problems? I think it is something they tackle as it occurs.

Quite honestly, resiliency is the ability to let go and bounce back .... how do they put children in a situation they have to bounce back from?

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Tue, 08-14-2012 - 4:51pm

how I can believe that the disorder is predominantly biological, but that resilience can help manage the symptoms.

ITA, and said so many times .... manage the disorder. The disorder doesn't go away and mainly because people with severe depression have negative thoughts that impact their lives pretty regularly. And even though teaching resiliency helps manage their symptoms, it is a life long struggle because you cannot change who they are hardwired to be ..... hmmm, funny, I said this pages ago. Maybe you missed you.

Your average healthy child though .. is pretty resilient. Otherwise, the school counselor would have her hands full of children they cannot let go of daily events or "bad things" happening.

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Wed, 08-15-2012 - 10:43am

Yes, and I just asked, not how you fit it into a curriculum, but how one would create a curriculum to teach students to be more resilient.

Handling problems, as they occur, throughout the day, is not the same as a formal curriculum teaching resiliency. Yes, no two days are the same and no students are the same. As I said, usually resiliency is tackled on an as needed basis.

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Wed, 08-15-2012 - 10:55am

I can't tell what work you do or what amazes you but a resilient child is sometimes as simple as looking at how resilient her or his parents are.

LOL ... yeah, that is what I said. You were the one who asked how one could tell a child how isn't resilient from one who is.

You are the one claiming resiliency has to be taught .... right? The big argument seems to stem from whether or not a person can be naturally (innate) be resilient. Whether in school or in therapy, resiliency or lack of is tackled when it posses a problem. You are the one insisting it must be taught ... disagreeing with that, just seems to lead to more and more arguing.

http://www.babyzone.com/kids/child-development/social-skills/raising-resilient-children_73393

Children who are naturally resilient, or are taught to be resilient, thrive.

http://www.rico.com.au/resilience/index.htm

There are many different  definitions of what resilience is. Some  of the most consistent aspects of those definitions relate to an individual’s capacity  and ability to cope with changes and challenges, and to bounce back during  difficult times.  These definitions refer  to an individual’s innate capacity to deal with adversity without becoming  overwhelmed by it. 

http://psychology.about.com/od/crisiscounseling/tp/become-more-resilient.htm

Research has shown that while some people seem to come by resilience naturally, these behaviors can also be learned. The following are just a few of the techniques you should focus on in order to foster your own resilience.

http://tweenparenting.about.com/od/physicalemotionalgrowth/a/DefResilience.htm

Some characteristics that encourage resilience are innate; such as intellectual ability and being outgoing; but many others can be actively developed.

Grabbed what I could easily find online, but my opinion has not changed throughout this entire thread of in and out subtopics. Some people are just flat out more resilient then others. I would not assume, through any hardship, a child would be resilient or would be resilient.

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Wed, 08-15-2012 - 4:13pm

my opinion has not changed throughout this entire thread of in and out subtopics.

Ditto.

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