Prayer at Government Meetings?

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Mon, 05-20-2013 - 11:24am

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court agreed Monday to consider whether prayers can be offered at government meetings -- a practice that's been common in Congress and throughout the states for more than two centuries.

The religious expression case, which comes to the court from the town of Greece, N.Y., focuses on the first 10 words of the First Amendment, ratified in 1791: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

That Establishment Clause was violated, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last year, when the Greece Town Board repeatedly used Christian clergy to conduct prayers at the start of its public meetings. The decision created a rift with other appeals courts that have upheld prayer at public meetings, prompting the justices to step in.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/20/supreme-court-prayer-new-york-government-meeting/2151385/?csp=fbfanpage

What do you think? Should prayer be allowed at public meetings?

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Thu, 05-23-2013 - 2:17pm

I guess you think the U.S. constitution is "liberal stupidity" or politically correct and we should not have to obey the law.

I believe in the US Constitution.  The argument that it's a "living document" is "liberal stupidity"...but if you'll take a moment to actually read it, you won't find "a separation of Church and State" anywhere within it's text.

Would you feel the same if the prayers being offered were non-Christian?

I believe the prayers are non-denominational, and the Chaplain's for Congress can be of any faith, but it's a testament to the beliefs of the majority in this country, as well as it's founding values, principles and beliefs that these things lean decidedly Christian.  I'm sure in India or Pakistan or Iran, they would tend to lean elsewhere.

I bet everybody wouldn't feel so comfortable if people got an Imam who wanted to read from the Koran.

Muslims, as well as almost every other faith, have had prayers read before Congress.  As long as one isn't proselytizing I doubt most tolerant people would object...unless, of course, there are liberal extremists in the audience, but they always object to anything that doesn't adhere to their ideology.

It's only when the majority is imposing it's will on everybody else that people feel that it's no big deal.

So you think the majority of the people should have to bow to the dictates of the few?  Not surprisingly, that is a tenet of liberal ideology.

But it's very clear that government should not be involved in religion.

Having a prayer said before Congress opens it's sessions is not "government being involved in religion."  One cannot separate government from the people elected to govern.  Btw, the concept of "separation of Church and State" was originally intended to keep the government from interfering in freedom of religion, not to keep religion out of government.  It's sad how it's been twisted around...by a minority.

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Thu, 05-23-2013 - 2:05pm

It just goes to show how imperfect our leaders are.

Yes, acknowledging and looking for guidance from a "higher authority" does acknowledge our own imperfection.  I prefer humility to arrogance in a leader.

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Thu, 05-23-2013 - 2:03pm

Mass as in church service?  I didn't know that.

It's called the Red Mass.  The Sunday before the Monday opening of SS sessions.

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Thu, 05-23-2013 - 2:01pm

Of course, they're hypocrites.

The breadth of our government for 230+years have all been hypocrites?

Bush 43, a cocaine abusing alcoholic, was born-again, so we elected and then re-elected him. Clinton, also church-going, cheated on his wife for years.

And Obama was a pot-head and snorted cocain, but hardly what one could describe as "religious" and he was elected twice as well.  I'm also sure that AlGore, Bush41, Kerry and McCain were all "church-going" and all were beat in a general election.  So the point is?

Why do you think they invoke a Christian god?

Because 70+% of the country define themselves as "Christian," and because most people see religion as a sign of values and stability...attributes they like in their leaders.

Aren't Jews allowed a prayer by the holy Congress?  Should Jews convert to your god?

I believe the prayers in Congress are nondenominational.  And Jews don't need to convert to my God because my God and their God are the same God.

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 11:02pm

musiclover12 wrote:
<p>I guess you think the U.S. constitution is "liberal stupidity" or politically correct and we should not have to obey the law.  Would you feel the same if the prayers being offered were non-Christian?  I bet everybody wouldn't feel so comfortable if people got an Imam who wanted to read from the Koran.  It's only when the majority is imposing it's will on everybody else that people feel that it's no big deal.  But it's very clear that government should not be involved in religion. </p>

That's what I was thinking ~ what if the prayers were Jewish?  Great points, musiclover.

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 10:53am

I guess you think the U.S. constitution is "liberal stupidity" or politically correct and we should not have to obey the law.  Would you feel the same if the prayers being offered were non-Christian?  I bet everybody wouldn't feel so comfortable if people got an Imam who wanted to read from the Koran.  It's only when the majority is imposing it's will on everybody else that people feel that it's no big deal.  But it's very clear that government should not be involved in religion. 

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 9:09am
It just goes to show how imperfect our leaders are.

 

 

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Wed, 05-22-2013 - 9:08am

deenasdad wrote:
<p><strong>No, prayer should never be allowed at town meetings run by some form of government.</strong></p><p>You're aware that Congress opens it sessions with a prayer?  And that a mass is held before the Supreme Court convenes?  And that our Presidents swear their oaths of office on a Bible?  And that "in God we trust" is the official US motto and is emblazoned on our money?  Just to name a few...</p>

Mass as in church service?  I didn't know that.   I agree with you, The irony continues to strike me as odd when people protest prayer but don't blink an eye about oaths that are sworn on bibles, the stamp on printed bills and the pledge..  Oh wait, They do want the pledge modified too......  (*shaking head at liberal stupidity*)

 

 

 

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Tue, 05-21-2013 - 2:22pm

deenasdad wrote:
<p><strong>No, prayer should never be allowed at town meetings run by some form of government.</strong></p><p>You're aware that Congress opens it sessions with a prayer?  And that a mass is held before the Supreme Court convenes?  And that our Presidents swear their oaths of office on a Bible?  And that "in God we trust" is the official US motto and is emblazoned on our money?  Just to name a few...</p>

Of course, they're hypocrites.  Bush 43, a cocaine abusing alcoholic, was born-again, so we elected and then re-elected him.  Clinton, also church-going, cheated on his wife for years. 

Why do you think they invoke a Christian god?  Aren't Jews allowed a prayer by the holy Congress?  Should Jews convert to your god?

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Tue, 05-21-2013 - 1:46pm

No, prayer should never be allowed at town meetings run by some form of government.

You're aware that Congress opens it sessions with a prayer?  And that a mass is held before the Supreme Court convenes?  And that our Presidents swear their oaths of office on a Bible?  And that "in God we trust" is the official US motto and is emblazoned on our money?  Just to name a few...

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