Ala Carte Government?

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-16-2007
Ala Carte Government?
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Wed, 10-06-2010 - 2:37pm

So you don't want to pay taxes?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 10-06-2010 - 2:56pm
Can you pay COD? (Cash on Disaster) When I was a kid, the firefighters lit fires in abandoned buildings to protest layoffs. No one believed us till the indictment came down. (they killed a homeless man).

 


 


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-16-2007
Wed, 10-06-2010 - 3:16pm

The man who's house burned down, said he simply forgot to pay this extra tax. When he called the fire department, they said he wasn't entitled to service, because he did not pay the fee. He offered to pay the fee right then and there. He offered to pay extra, double, triple......what ever it took. They refused. He lost a couple of dogs and a cat in the fire, along with the entire house and all of his belongings.

When the fire spread to his neighbors house, the neighbor had paid the fee, so the fire dept. put their fire out.

IMO..This is exactly what would happen, if we went the GOP route and privatized

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Registered: 10-05-2010
Wed, 10-06-2010 - 3:25pm

Kittyrose posted:

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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-16-2007
Wed, 10-06-2010 - 3:28pm

Yep. Profit above all else. What happens to service then? What happens to the better good of the community?

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Registered: 10-07-2010
Thu, 10-07-2010 - 9:38am
In reading about this, prior to the pay 75 this rural area had NO fire departments. I liked The Blaze article because it summed up all the ones out there. Hope the family didn't forget to pay their home insurance too.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/vote-and-comment-is-burning-home-sign-of-tea-party-america/
"The counterargument is, of course, that this kind of system only works if there are consequences for opting out. For the firefighters to have put out the blaze would have opened up a big moral hazard and generated a bunch of future free-riding — a lot like how the ban on denying coverage based on preexisting conditions, paired with penalties under the individual mandate that are lower than the going premiums, would lead to folks waiting until they got sick to buy insurance."
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"The situation is this: The city of South Fulton’s fire department, until a few years ago, would not respond to any fires outside of the city limits — which is to say, the city limited its jurisdiction to the city itself, and to city taxpayers. A reasonable position. Then, a few years ago, a fire broke out in a rural area that was not covered by the city fire department, and the city authorities felt bad about not being able to do anything to help. So they began to offer an opt-in service, for the very reasonable price of $75 a year. Which is to say: They greatly expanded the range of services they offer. The rural homeowners were, collectively, better off, rather than worse off. Before the opt-in program, they had no access to a fire department. Now they do."
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"Why isn’t there a happy middle ground? You can pay 75 bucks upfront or, if you wait until your house is on fire, it will cost you, I dunno, $10,000? Lots of things work like this.

Here’s the more important part of the story, letting the house burn — while, I admit sad — will probably save more houses over the long haul. I know that if I opted out of the program before, I would be more likely to opt-in now."
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"That brings us back to the insurance analogy. The Atlanta-Journal Constitution‘s John Bookman agrees that the fire department’s action seem a little “callous.” To him, however, it’s not so much a picture of Tea Party America as it is of Obamacare America:

The situation is in many ways analogous to the health care debate, where folks skate without insurance until something goes wrong and they show up in an emergency room, where the law says they have to be treated.

Do we instead do what the South Fulton fire chief did, refusing available treatment to fellow human beings even in life-threatening situations, because they gambled and didn’t buy insurance?"
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IF a life is at risk, they will intervene
“If somebody is trapped in the house we‘re going to go because life safety is number one but we can’t give the service away,” Edmison said. “It‘s not South Fulton’s problem. It‘s not Union City’s problem. It‘s the county’s problem. There is no county fire department.” …

“If we just waited to charge when we went out there, you’d be working on a per-call basis,” he said. “With no more calls than there are, the money wouldn’t be there in a sufficient source to buy the equipment you need.” …

“It’s like car insurance,” Edmison said. “I wish I could wait until I have an accident until I pay my premium on my car insurance, but it doesn’t work that way. So why should the fire service be looked at anything different?”

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-13-2009
Thu, 10-07-2010 - 10:07am
WTH? I tried posting a few minutes ago, but there was a pop-up I couldn't get around. It was in the text box, and completely covered the boxes of Post and Cancel. With no way to close it.

Ugh.

Anyway, the decent thing to do would have been to accept his offer and put out the fire, and save the animals. It surprises me not in the least that repubs will defend this. It's sickening.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-16-2007
Thu, 10-07-2010 - 12:16pm

The author of this article is wrong. IMO.

Here’s the more important part of the story, letting the house burn — while, I admit sad — will probably save more houses over the long haul. I know that if I opted out of the program before, I would be more likely to opt-in now."

Particularly, that line.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 01-22-2000
Thu, 10-07-2010 - 1:05pm

Tell me yall are kidding...

What on God's green earth does this story have to do with the GOP?

Who said they didnt want to pay taxes?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2001
Thu, 10-07-2010 - 2:16pm

Imagine that this was not "a forgotten payment."

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2001
Thu, 10-07-2010 - 2:19pm

Great Article!

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