Are America's Best Days Behind Us?

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Are America's Best Days Behind Us?
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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 11:51am

I started to put this in the Non-Debatable Folder just because I thought it was an interesting article that you might want to read. There are so many debatable points though, so I'm putting it here instead.

Are America's Best Days Behind Us?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2056610,00.html

A few quotes...

  • The decisions that created today's growth — decisions about education, infrastructure and the like — were made decades ago. What we see today is an American economy that has boomed because of policies and developments of the 1950s and '60s...
  • And all those interests are dedicated to preserving the past rather than investing for the future. There are no lobbying groups for the next generation of industries, only for those companies that are here now with cash to spend. There are no special-interest groups for our children's economic well-being, only for people who get government benefits right now.
  • What is really depressing is the tone of our debate. In place of the thoughtful concern of Jefferson and Adams, we have its opposite in tone and temperament — the shallow triumphalism purveyed by politicians now. The founders loved America, but they also understood that it was a work in progress, an unfinished enterprise that would constantly be in need of change, adjustment and repair.
Tell me what you think of the article and the premise - are the best days indeed behind us?
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Registered: 04-09-2006
Wed, 03-16-2011 - 11:56pm
Maybe your browser linked you to the wrong article.
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Registered: 03-02-2009
Wed, 03-16-2011 - 10:52pm

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 04-09-2006
Wed, 03-16-2011 - 10:24am
My earlier post: "You seem to be saying that to the right, fiscal responsibility and environmental stewardship are some kind of crime."

seems to be true on both counts, at least in California...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-budget-environment-20110316,0,4304826.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29
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Registered: 03-03-2009
Mon, 03-14-2011 - 5:54pm
Thought so.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Mon, 03-14-2011 - 4:28pm

I'm sorry, it's just too trivial to dwell on. In civil debate, one need not explain every little detail.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Mon, 03-14-2011 - 10:53am
When engaged in logical and civil debate, one expects to back up one's statements with further explanation or substantiating sources.

It's the only way to make a credible case. A reluctance or refusal to expand or clarify usually means there is NO logic, proof and/or case.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Sun, 03-13-2011 - 11:21pm

Illogical and contradictory to complain that "[Obama] makes no compromises, at least in his actions" and then bring up the non-closure of Guantanamo.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 02-24-2009
Sun, 03-13-2011 - 3:38am

I find the blaming pointless. The Iraq war has indeed been a disaster, and an expensive one. However, I don't really care at this point how we got into the mess. The question is how do we get out, how do we move on.

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Sun, 03-13-2011 - 12:17am

We might stop blaming the previous president when all his colossal gaffes have been reversed. Unfortunately, it's usually true that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure--and Bush was a hideous leader who was far more given to posturing and strutting than considering the long term impact of his arrogance and preening.

Bush wrought harm which can never be undone. Over 4,000 U.S, dead in Iraq are Exhibit A. Exhibit B would be the thousands of U.S. vets who are struggling to recover from physical and mental injuries incurred in the unspeakable and immoral mess of Iraq.

Jabberwocka

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Sun, 03-13-2011 - 12:11am

Illogical and contradictory to complain that "[Obama] makes no compromises, at least in his actions" and then bring up the non-closure of Guantanamo.

Jabberwocka

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