Bush is scary

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Registered: 08-02-2003
Bush is scary
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Sun, 10-24-2004 - 4:12pm
It amazes me that people are actually voting for this guy! What in God's name are people thinking? He is against abortion (hello, anyone see/read Cider House Rules?) and stem cell research (another puzzler) yet he kills our boys and innocent Iraqis everyday, all in the name of money and oil. And he has the nerve to be so self-righteous that he calls himself a CHRISTIAN? Come on, people, let's look at him for what he really is!

Kerry gets my vote, not because I like him, but because Mickey Mouse would be better than what is in there now!

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 4:26pm

What amazes me is how uniformed people are.


Many people are against abortion.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2003
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 4:56pm
Oh my, we are so quick to judge, are we not? I am not bitter, just disgusted. And I am very informed, thank you. Happen to have a career in politics myself, I am involved in the every day issues and know what the reality is.

If you sleep better at night thinking Bush is a grand person, than good for you. I believe the man is an idiot. Plain and simple.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 5:00pm

This is a debate board.


If you don't want to debate my questions then why are you here?


It is clear by your post that you are not well versed on the issues but seem to have been sucked into the propaganda like so many others.


I'm all for having an intelligent debate supported by the facts.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-02-2003
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 6:25pm
You have no idea who you are lecturing to, it is laughable. And just because I don't agree with your views doesn't make me ignorant to the election issues. I didn't ask for a debate, just sharing my two cents (hence, the penny icon next to the posting).

You are obviously so well versed on W., something to be so proud of!

And for the record, you began the name calling with the bitter comment. I am done with this posting, it is not worth my time or yours.

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Registered: 09-27-2004
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 7:31pm
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So, what you are saying is that Kerry is Mickey Mouse? Would that make Edwards Daffy Duck?

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Registered: 03-19-2003
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 7:40pm
Would that make Edwards Daffy Duck?


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Registered: 08-27-2004
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 9:40pm
Careful, you might start rumors that Mickey Mouse will be naming Huey, Duey, and Louie to the cabinet! LOL
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Registered: 11-20-2003
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 10:02pm
While I completely support your stated goal to ask people to be fully informed on issues, I have to take issue with the repeated 'claims' about Bush being the first president to fund stem cell research.

While chronology alone supports that fact, it is the equivalent of giving a president in 1903 credit for the first presidency to support research in aviation. He wasn't first by anything other than coincidence of timing. Bush's presidency was the 'first' to 'permit' funding, because it was the first presidency under which the grant requests to the NIH and NSF were being processed for embryonic stem cell research.

What Bush issued was a combined executive decision and executive branch policy decision that severely limited the types of research that could be supported with federal funds on embryonic stem cells. If NIH, NSF, and other agency policies had been LEFT ALONE by Bush (i.e., left the same as Clinton administration, or even as his father's administration), then those policies would have allowed much greater funding as a matter of course under the larger banner of brain injury, Alzheimers, and Parkinson's funding. Did those existing policies specifically call out 'embryonic stem cell' - well, no, of course not, just as those agencies wouldn't have had any policies with AIDS in the title in the 1970s --- but, their existing policies would have permitted this research on a much more expanded front. What Bush did, in his decision, was explicitly call out stem cell research (from other types of research into cellular-level cures), and restrict it's funding to only the first, rudimentary lines already established. Using the aviation analogy, that would be the equivalent of saying you can study manned flight as much as you want, as long as you only use the Wright Brothers' plane - there will be no further funding for newer or more advanced plane designs for us to examine.

So, I have no problem debating *whether* federal funds should be used for stem cell research, or whether the current lines are sufficient, or even whether private funding is sufficient versus public funds (my opinions being yes, no, and definitely no). But I am tired of the spin being placed on the Bush 'claim' to somehow being benevolent enough to fund stem cell research. It was a limitation then (and all the interest groups and media knew it then too - I certainly remember the uproar over the decision - it was drowned out by 9/11 a few weeks later, but it was still seen as a limitation, not an expansion) and it is a limitation now.

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Registered: 10-27-2001
In reply to: mmo24
Sun, 10-24-2004 - 11:56pm
Correction: lbmlbmlb used an adjective to describe you - "bitter." Not really name calling. Now if she called you an "idiot," "imbecile," "jacka##" or a "wack-job," then that would be name calling.


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Registered: 08-09-2004
In reply to: mmo24
Mon, 10-25-2004 - 10:47am
>He is against abortion (hello, anyone see/read Cider House Rules?) and stem cell research (another puzzler) yet he kills our boys and innocent Iraqis everyday, all in the name of money and oil.

Yeah, I just don't get it. I mean, I thought Christians believe that "all life is sacred". But I guess that just applies to the unborn.

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