Debunking "liberals don't think"

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Registered: 01-12-2008
Debunking "liberals don't think"
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Fri, 10-17-2008 - 1:37pm

I have often read the phrase "those liberals don't think, they only feel." Accompanying this phrase is often the analogy of Obama supporters as sheep who are so blinded by the light of Obama's celebrity that they fail to consider the issues carefully or logically.

First, I wanted to say that most liberals I know DO feel. They are very empathetic, compassionate people who do want to ease suffering in the world. I think that most conservatives are the same way. But liberals are not stupid. In fact, if you look at the data, higher levels of education are correlated with more liberal attitudes, although once you get into people with graduate degrees, the correlation flattens. The faculty at more prestigious universities also tend to be more liberal than the faculty at less prestigious universities. This is not to say that there are not highly intelligent people who are also conservative. My point is simply that saying liberals "don't think, they only feel" is simply a false explanation for disagreement.

Can't we all agree that two intelligent people considering the exact same information might come to different conclusions? Can't we all agree that two intelligent people carefully and logically considering the issues might still choose to vote for different presidential candidates? If we want to get over the polarization in our society, we need to stop thinking of people who disagree as being idiots.



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iVillage Member
Registered: 10-08-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 5:05pm

What exactly is your definition of elitist?

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-24-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 5:14pm

I'm not sure you to answer you - if you are sincerely convinced that liberals truly are insane and can't tell the difference between Bush and McCain as individuals, there's nothing much I can do.

 

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Registered: 08-24-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 5:16pm

Apparently "way" more elitist given that they have taken "way" more money from Big Oil.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-24-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 5:20pm

I am not sure what you mean by Hollywood elitists.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-16-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 6:09pm

Why is it every liberal has the propensity of splitting hairs in an effort to deflect froim the original subject matter? What does a percentage have to do with the fact that Obama has elitist support, and surrounds himself with elitists? A precentage doesn't deflect from the fact that Obama does this. Your point is moot.

I've also addressed that post as well, and I've given links proving Obama has also accepted BIG OIL contributions. If you're going to whine and complain about someone else taking BIG OIL contributions, should you take them yourself?

Obama's revitalization of the windfall profits tax will translate into higher prices at the gas pumps. The windfall profits tax was introduced by Jimmy Carter. I remember the gas lines and the high prices under Carter. It was due to the windfall profits tax, and Carter's energy policy. Carter would not allow more off shore drilling, and he wouldn't allow us to build more refineries. Carter's energy policy was a sweater, a lower speed limit, and a lower thermostat. Obama's energy policy is a tune up and a tire gage. Most cars have systems that are so efficient you don't need to change spark plugs for 60,000 miles. The North Star engine is an example of this. Take it from me, Josephine the auto mechanic. I've worked on them. I used to have an auto repair shop. Obama doesn't know what he's talking about. He's out of touch, thinking today's cars aren't technologically advanced enough.

How do YOU expect there to be real change when the same old habits are followed?

Palin was not found guilty of anything. While the report said Palin may have abused her power, no wrongdoing could be found. Please do quote the report accurately. For there to be guilt, wrongdoing has to be proven. The political hack Obama hired to go after Palin couldn't prove it.

Again you're trying to split hairs to convolute the subject.

I don't even listen to campaign ads. That is your assertion. I read his plan. It's pure tax and spend socialism. There's no change in what he has planned, just new spending. Spending we can't afford right now.

Yes, Obama has told three different stories concerning his relationship with Ayers, and he still hasn't told the truth about him. That's bad judgment. He should have told the truth about Ayers from the beginning.

If selecting Palin was a mistake, or bad judgment as you say, on McCain's part, why does Obama have only a four point lead in the polls? He should be rolling along to a landslide if Palin is such a huge mistake. I think you've got it backwards. Biden is the mistake. Biden is an out of touch elitist.

To tell you the truth, buying the bad mortgages would have been a better idea than this risky bailout. The government could have owned all the bad mortgages that were dragging down our economy, and allowed the good ones to float on the open market. The government then could have rented these houses out to their original mortgagers as rental properties that they could have rented to own. I think that would have been a much better deal. Now we have the fed printing more worthless cash to cover the bailout, which will cause inflation. Both Obama and McCain voted in support of this plan. I'm not thrilled with either of them on that issue. It puts the fed in charge of way too much.

Because she is one of us, and one of us (meaning common people) belongs in the White House more than some pantywaist elitist does.

Apparently you don't listen to her speak. Apparently you haven't seen any of her interviews. But that's Okay. When you're in the tank for Obama, you're not going to listen to anyone else. Is Obama on a show every day? No. So why should Palin be? Why do you want to set different guidelines for Palin to judge her by? That's what you're trying to do.

<< i knowhe said that but could post a link? im interested in seeing the context. >>

Though his remarks weren't taken out of context, you'll try to claim they were in typical liberal fashion. I expect it.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/11/obama-draws-fire-for-comments-on-small-town-america/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-12-obama-comments_N.htm

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1731872,00.html

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Those comments were totally racist on Obama's part.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-16-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 6:15pm

Do you mean Ronald Reagan who was a movie star, then president? Fred Thompson who was a tv star then a Republican politican running for the presidential nomination? Or the Republican governor of California who was a movie star first?

Or do you mean the various Hollywood celebrities who are campaigning for McCain?

Maybe rethink your claims. We all learn stuff on here, myself included. I've got a lot of respect for Americans and seriously doubt that half of them are, as you've suggested, insane, etc..>

You're attempting to convolute everything, so there is no sense in even having a dialog with you. You know exactly who the Hollywood elitists are. You're just trying to make a mockery out of it.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-08-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 6:36pm

You really seem to have a problem with "elitists."

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-15-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 6:46pm
comments like this: "When you're in the tank for Obama, you're not going to listen to anyone else." makes me not want to
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-16-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 7:20pm

If you don't like what I have to say about liberal elitists, then block me. I don't think every liberal is an elitist, but I do believe a lot of them are angry and arrogant. John Kerry is a great example of liberal arrogance. Liberal anger manifests itself in many ways. From Bush hatred to their use of class envy, liberals have the market cornered on hate, and stirring up the passions of hate. What else can I say? Are you in the tank for Obama? Yes or no? Simple question, not hard to answer. It seems like this entire message board, not just me, is made up of sweeping generalizations. Some are accepted as fact, others are swept under the rug. Whatever. Life goes on. It's no skin off my nose either way. I'm sorry if I disappointed you by not saying something you could TOS me for. That seems to be the liberal way of dealing with someone who disagrees with them.

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Registered: 09-15-2008
Sat, 10-18-2008 - 7:44pm

Why is it every liberal has the propensity of splitting hairs in an effort to deflect froim the original subject matter? you said "a good percentage" which led me to believe you were aware of an actual percentage, i'd like to see it. What does a percentage have to do with the fact that Obama has elitist support, and surrounds himself with elitists? A precentage doesn't deflect from the fact that Obama does this. Your point is moot.youre ORIGINAL point was that liberals were elitist. not specifically obama. i see you narrowed your argument. i'm not sure of your definition of "elitist" is? both cadinates have some support from the holywood elites. as well as much support from regular people. i am clearly missing your point?



I've also addressed that post as well, and I've given links proving Obama has also accepted BIG OIL contributions. If you're going to whine and complain about someone else taking BIG OIL contributions, should you take them yourself? both candidates have taken money from big oil employees. but mccains record consistently supports big oil http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2008/mccain_gw_record.html


Obama's revitalization of the windfall profits tax will translate into higher prices at the gas pumps. The windfall profits tax was introduced by Jimmy Carter. I remember the gas lines and the high prices under Carter. It was due to the windfall profits tax, and Carter's energy policy. Carter would not allow more off shore drilling, and he wouldn't allow us to build more refineries. Carter's energy policy was a sweater, a lower speed limit, and a lower thermostat. they can be taxed to the point where it would get refunded to americans, yet not too much

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