Democrats please Answer!

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Democrats please Answer!
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Sun, 09-28-2008 - 8:14pm

When Obama created his entire campaign based on three things which he now will not or cannot do what is happening for his supporters now?


He said he would pull out of Iraq, now clearly that is NOT his plan, and he also plans to send four times the troops to Afganistan and also attack Pakistan.


He can NOT do anything about HEALTHCARE, he knows this, regardless of the fact that all his plan boiled down to was a 2,500 dollar tax credit per family for medical related expenses, that is FAR from insuring 330 million people and 64 million illegal aliens.


He said he would cut taxes for the middle class, which can not be done now that we are having to take this bailout which all the Democrats are pushing the hardest for, since so many are tied to the bailout in a personal way like accepting lobbyist money or kick backs and also having their part in blocking regulations on subprime loans.


I would like to know other than Obama being black which is the appeal for some, and other than him being young and inexperienced what is the huge attraction? He endorsed many of Bushes policies including the wire tapping. He also voted MORE with party lines than John McCain and he also voted 94 times to raise taxes on those making over 42,000 dollars...so WHY is he better to be President?


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Registered: 07-16-2008
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 6:57pm

More and more people in this country are going bankrupt due to medical costs and lack of adequate/affortable medical insurance.


As many people are going bankrupt with insurance as without, that's the scariest part of all of this.

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Registered: 04-09-2006
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 7:42pm

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What this post is saying is that landlords like people who can actually take care of houses. And that those people are now, for one reason or another, being priced out of the home ownership market.

It might be a buyer's marker for landlords, whose would-be tenants are paying their mortgages for them (that cash flow from day 1 stuff; note that if a person can afford to pay rent to pay someone's mortgage, they should certainly be able to pay a mortgage of their own, but note also that the landlord is getting the property for a "bargain" price, whereas the dispossessed former owner paid an inflated price for it), but the economic reality of those tenants (people who are now losing their houses) is much grimmer.

If Americans of average income can't afford to own houses, we (as a nation) have a real problem.

And I'm not going to be in anyone's "tenant pool", thank you very much. The more "difficult" the tenant pool, the better off our country will be.

Rent should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be a matter of convenience, never of necessity. I was a renter as a college student. I was a renter when I got my first real job. I'm a renter now; I live on-site at a scientific research facility, a few hundred feet away from my office. The rent is affordable because it's convenient for my employer to have us here, so I'm not being twisted for every last dime to pay off a speculator's mortgage.

We also own a paid-for house, as "insurance" that we won't have to be in someone's "tenant pool" in case some unforeseen circumstance changes our position here. A friend lives in the house as a caretaker. I pay the taxes, she maintains and improves the house. If we ever sell it, she'll have first option to buy.

It is unfortunate that attempts to make home ownership possible for more Americans were accompanied by unethical business practices and inflated home prices that reflected speculation in the housing market rather than the actual value of the properties in question.

I live near a small town. Housing prices have tripled in the last five or so years because of a game being played by the two richest families in town. Family A instantly buys every desirable house on the market and turns it into a bed and breakfast. Family B (the "slumlords") buys every "affordable" house and rents it out at an inflated price. Whatever the market will bear, right? It's capitalism, so it must be good. Of course it's obvious what happens. Not everyone wants to play the game, so people buy little lots out of town, building roads and houses in some of the most rare and fragile desert ecosystem in the U.S. One half of the town, formerly modest houses, looks like a slum; the people who didn't want to be a part of that "tenant pool" moved "out".

I wish all the "bargain hunters" the very worst of luck, because these "bargains" are only available because of the misfortunes of others.

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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 9:33pm

<<As many people are going bankrupt with insurance as without, that's the scariest part of all of this.

 

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Registered: 08-02-2008
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 9:41pm

We deny most of our citizens healthcare--it's not a right of citizenship to have healthcare. It's not a right of citizenship to have food, either. No one has offered to pay for my groceries or doctor visits because it's tight for us.

As far as education--the adults illegals trying to find work aren't also trying to get a GED. They stay at their 7th grade education and drain our systems. And if you look at our international performance, we're not giving their kids any advantages at all by educating them.

And finally, if we take away their "right" to free education, free public assistance, and free healthcare, it might remove the incentive to come here in the first place. What is stopping the flood if we make sure they all have rights of citizenship WITHOUT citizenship? It chips away our standing as a sovereign nation each illegal alien who is permitted the rights of citizenship without earning them by becoming a citizen. And where does that leave legal immigrants and natural-born citizens?

Footing the bill.

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Registered: 08-02-2008
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 9:42pm

Just because it's illegal doesn't mean people aren't doing it--in fact, why is it so hard to believe they'd break the law to get welfare and other public assistance benefits--they broke the law to get here in the first place, so why is any other criminal act a stretch of the imagination? I'm not saying they all do it, but it happens, and it happens a WHOLE LOT more than you would think. And if border security were tightened 15 years ago and kept tightened to date, and we had actually been enforcing the existing immigration laws all along, how many children born to illegals would we have kept of the public dole? That's another drain on the system not even accounted for in this conversation!

Links:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2007/11/illegal-immigrants-a-welfare-n.html

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Registered: 09-11-2007
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 10:02pm

The immigration issues is the one major issue I almost always find myself agreeing with republicans on. My DH moved here from Canada....it's very costly....very time intensive...and very invasive. But we did it the RIGHT way...we jumped through every hoop they put down...and there are A TON. SO it really chaps my bum when people come here illegally and then get a path to citiszneship! WTF? I know it's not doable to ship everyone back....but really...I have little sympathy for illegals. Not because of race...or that they don't know english...but more on the fact that they broke the law and get away with it everyday. THat people employ them....and they thrive using systems illegally. ( by thrive i mean survive and get by) It is really an issue that gets under my skin.


ETA.....on the welfare thing. When my DH moved here..I had to sign an afadaftit of support...saying I would be solely financially responsible for him. On signing that document neither I nor him can legally apply

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Registered: 09-08-2006
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 10:14pm

I think there is a fine line in discussing what additional economic problems we face as a nation with illegal immigration and actually

 

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Registered: 07-23-2008
Tue, 09-30-2008 - 10:34pm

I tend to lean conservative on this issue too BUT I believe that it should be cheaper and easier for people to immigrate to the US if they want. Not free and completely easy, but not the spiral of pain and money that it is now. After all, if any of us trace back our ancestry - we were ALL once immigrants to this great land.

I, however, abhor the current crisis of illegal immigration. Having worked in a public school - I'll tell you the illegal kids are a drain on the system. They are sweet kids (the ones who aren't in gangs - but hey plenty of American kids are in gangs), but have no right (IMO) to be taking tax dollars away from citizens. I also hate the idea of paying for their emergency healthcare, though I am torn on this because if someone is having a health crisis I also think it is a little cavalier to just let them die. Solution - treat them then deport them. I am one of the people who do believe in universal healthcare, but for me the buck stops at illegals. Citizens should be the only ones benefiting from such governmental services.

I also believe that in addition to deporting illegals, I think that those who HIRE illegals should be SEVERELY punished. I'm talking STEEP fines and/or imprisonment. They would not come if they could not find jobs. That's the crux of the problem. Take away the jobs, and you take away, or severely reduce, the problem.

I think another HUGE issue that goes hand in hand with illegal immigration is identity theft. It INFURIATES me that if someone else is using YOUR government issued SSN, you are not allowed to find out who they are and have them prosecuted. Whenever two sets of taxes are paid on the same SSN - a red flag should go up and the identity thief should be arrested and deported. Another issue - driving without a license and/or insurance. These jerks make me mad, too. I was semi-recently in an accident perpetrated by an illegal (I assume - no english, no insurance) and MY insurance had to pay for it and MY rates went up. That jack@ss is probably still living in the US driving like a maniac.

Anyway - this post was far longer than I intended it it be. I just get a little fired up sometimes. :-)





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Tue, 09-30-2008 - 10:37pm
ITA - I don't blame them for the current crisis at all. It still makes me mad though. On the flip side, what ALSO make me mad is how people are all prejudiced against others for their race and/or religion. Race and religion are nonfactors to me. I am just as bothered by Palin's crazy preacher as I am by Obama's - Not at all.




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Tue, 09-30-2008 - 10:39pm

Oh, THEY aren't creating any problems--THEY are taking advantage of our system because of the problems WE have created for OURSELVES.

Build the wall, guard the gate, put 'em all at the end of the line, take 'em off the payroll, off the dole, and out of the schools. They don't have to go home but they can't stay here.

THAT'S what our policy and enforcement should have been all along. It wasn't and now I'M paying because our government, whose basic responsibility includes to protect our borders and sovereignty as a nation, dropped the ball.

I don't blame illegals--they are criminals for simply being here. I'm also not saying there are many, few, a little, a lot of them on the public dole--but there are SOME, and that's the word I used, and that's the ones I'm directing this to. And the bottom line is: it is the government who allowed them the freedom to abuse our system, and no one is stopping them.

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