Did politics beget violence in AZ?

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Registered: 09-09-2004
Did politics beget violence in AZ?
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Mon, 01-10-2011 - 8:20am

Hi .... just finding my way back to these boards. I am really curious what everyone's thoughts are on the AZ shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and the bystanders at this event in Tucson over the weekend. Obviously it's a tragedy with the killing of the judge and the 9 year old girl. I heard this little girl was interested in politics... so sad and it really makes me angry that someone would do this. My heart goes out to all the victims and their families. I haven't heard an update on the other victims, but know several were wounded.

This whole weekend has been filled with speculation online and constant news reports and I am not really sure what to think about it. People are saying that Sarah Palin's PAC could be to blame? I am not sure... I think the whole tone of politics right now is really horrible, from the politcians to just every day people. I guess it's good for people to have passion but not sure this leads to betterment of society or understanding. And in the end, I don't know if we can really point fingers for a tragedy like this? It sounds like the shooter was really unhinged. I will be curious to see if this event improves or even worsens "the rhetoric" in this country. Can anyone make sense of all of this?

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Registered: 10-07-2010
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 9:34am
I have been amazed to see many conservatives offering prayers for this tragedy and liberals blaming political rhetoric. This is NOT all liberals, even NPR said not to. It seems we are not to guess a Muslims intentions in a tragedy, but this had to be because of Palin or Beck.
Nevermind the facts that this person was a lunatic, had a run in in 2007 with Gifford and just crazy.
The parents of the 9 year old that was murdered said it best this morning. They said 'the guy was a coward, acting alone, and blaming anything else was pointless'. They said their little girl was born on a tragic day and died in a tragedy, but that everyday in between was a blessing.
My thoughts and prayers are with the family of those hurt/killed.
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Registered: 09-11-2007
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 10:19am
He was a disturbed individual. When you are crazy it won't take much to push you over the edge.
Do I think the political culture has gotten nastier? Sure.
Do I think Palin and Beck are responsible for this awful event? No.
Though I do think this is the kind of thing that people don't think about when they are trying to get folks whipped into a frenzy and telling them to lock and load..or take aim on the people who are trying to ruin America.

Do I think this will change a thing? Nope.
My heart goes out to all the families effected by this. It's truly sad.
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Mon, 01-10-2011 - 10:46am

I agree with you mostly.

 


 


I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure

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Registered: 03-30-2007
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 11:52am

During this last election, my State was a battleground.

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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 5:22pm

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Registered: 11-04-2010
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 5:42pm
Giffords even came out at the time and said that it was dangerous to do things like that.
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Registered: 09-09-2004
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 5:44pm
I wonder, though, if the infamous "crosshair map" never existed, would this still have happened? Based on what I've read so far, the answer sadly seems to be yes. I'm in no way defending or condoning the inflammatory campaigning of Palin or anyone, but I think, at least to some extent, this takes away from discussing larger problems, such as the availability of these weapons, mental health access and more. I know it's still early in the investigation, though it sounds like the suspect isn't talking, so we may never really know for sure. It just is all so senseless.
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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 5:57pm

I agree that the lack of understanding about mental illness and the difficulties faced in accessing appropriate services for its treatment are bigger issues here, BUT I think that recent politicians, such as Palin, have crossed a line and I think that it would be an appropriate use of the incident to redraw it.

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Registered: 09-09-2004
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 6:02pm
I guess that's what I'd like to understand better, especially for public figures ... is there a way to improve the odds of something like this not happening again through better identification and access to help/intervention, as well as re-examining the fuel that gets added to those fires? I'm kind of weirded out by the reports that this person had met Giffords before several years ago coupled with the statements from acquaintances. While it seems like each of these individually wouldn't have tripped any alarms, I do wonder how many others are out there lying in wait?

Sorry if I'm rambling here, I have been trying to make sense of the political debate over the last few years without much luck and this event and its aftermath have really made it hard to have faith in your fellow man, I guess.
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Registered: 07-11-2006
Mon, 01-10-2011 - 6:08pm

Leaders need to stand back when things get too fired up...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36033690#36033690

Unbelievable.

iluvkrats wrote:
Giffords even came out at the time and said that it was dangerous to do things like that.

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