A different view on abortion & Kerry

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A different view on abortion & Kerry
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Mon, 10-25-2004 - 12:39pm

I've not ever heard it quite said this way before (that last paragraph is especially thought provoking):


John Kerry Misrepresents The Christian Faith

Priests For Life, a national priests' organization issued a press release today charging that "The Christian faith has been misrepresented again today by John Kerry,"


Fr. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life, in response to a speech that Kerry gave in Fort Lauderdale. "Kerry said, on the one hand, that he disagrees with the Church on abortion, and yet that society must protect its most vulnerable members.

"That's exactly why the Church is against abortion and requires Kerry -- and every public official -- to extend protection to the most vulnerable, the children in the womb. Mr. Kerry obviously does not understand the Church he claims to belong to. The Church's position on abortion is not based on religious doctrine; it is based on the very duty to society that Mr. Kerry claims to fulfill.


"Mr. Kerry says he will not impose matters of belief by law. We do not want him to. We simply want him to protect human life, including the unborn, despite the beliefs of those who devalue them -- just as the law protects any one of us despite the beliefs of those who might devalue us."

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Registered: 10-19-2004
Mon, 10-25-2004 - 12:48pm
>>We simply want him to protect human life, including the unborn, despite the beliefs of those who devalue them -- just as the law protects any one of us despite the beliefs of those who might devalue us."

I so agree how thought provoking that line is. If LIFE were only that simple. I think I stated this before in another post, but I can debate this again: If you really think HUMAN LIFE starts at conception then why can't an unborn survive on its own until 25, 27 weeks gestation. And that is rather conservative - Lots say later than that can an unborn survive on its own. Case in point: When I was pregnant with my 3rd, I started spotting at 20 weeks - red blood (sorry if TMI). The nurse told me to take it easy and more or less warned me that if I didn't slow down, if the bleeding didn't stop, then the fetus would die because at 20 weeks, there just isn't enough (life) in them to survive. Thank goodness my baby was born healthy at 40 weeks.

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Mon, 10-25-2004 - 12:49pm
I think Kerry, as a Catholic, respects the sanctity of human life. But, he wouldn't seek to prevent a woman who had cancer from having an abortion, so that she could save herself from the disease. Its no one else's right to make those types of decisions, ya know?
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Mon, 10-25-2004 - 1:01pm

Hmmmm...some interesting information regarding the

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Mon, 10-25-2004 - 1:39pm

The Christian bible is against the death penalty?

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Mon, 10-25-2004 - 3:39pm
Isn't the death penalty just state-sponsored killing? What about "Thou shalt not kill", why isn't it "Thou shalt not murder?" Just curious, being non-Christian and anti-death penalty.
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Mon, 10-25-2004 - 4:05pm
"When George Bush was governor of Texas, he refused to offer a stay of excution for a man who mentally retarded, despite the intervention of the international community. The christian bible (not to mention the catholic church) is against the death penalty, but yet they praise George Bush who as governor not only excuted a mentally retarded person, but also many others during his stay in the Texas Governors Mansion."

In Texas, the Governor does not have the authority to stop an execution on his own, it must be approved by the Board of Pardons and Parole. In this particular case, the Board of Pardons and Parole voted 18-0 against clemency. All Bush could have done would have been to stay his execution for 30 days. The Board was unanimous in its decision, it probably wouldn't have changed in 30 days. Just because he was mentally retarded doesn't mean he didn't kidnap, rape and murder a 24 year old woman.


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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 10-25-2004 - 4:34pm
If you look at the original hebrew version the word used is "murder".
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Registered: 05-08-2004
Mon, 10-25-2004 - 5:17pm

Hmm...so there have been others?

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Registered: 05-08-2004
Mon, 10-25-2004 - 5:30pm

Here is a link wrt the death penalty for the old testament.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/exe_bibl.htm


I do find it interesting that the new testament doesn't really delve into killing another.

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Registered: 09-20-2003
Mon, 10-25-2004 - 5:31pm
The link you give is from a site with an agenda...I don't really give those much credit.

I still don't see what that has to do with what I posted.

Texas law prohibits the Governor from granting clemency if the Board does not recommend it.

http://www.ccadp.org/TX-clemency.htm

"If the Board votes against clemency, the Governor has no

independent power to commute the sentence. The Governor can only

commute a death sentence upon the recommendation of the Board of

Pardons and Paroles."

Yes, I realize this link is from a group against the death penalty...but it still shows the law.

I understand having a position against the death penalty. But I take issue with people claiming Bush executed these people.

You act like Bush went out and picked up innocent people and executed them. These people were found guilty in a court of law and sentenced to death. Bush didn't decide that....the people did.


Edited 10/25/2004 5:36 pm ET ET by cn118

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