DoMA - should it be protected, or given the boot?

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DoMA - should it be protected, or given the boot?
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Fri, 02-25-2011 - 7:07pm

Big changes this week as Obama declairs the Defense of Marriage Act

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Wed, 03-02-2011 - 8:09pm

Repeatedly, you have insisted that Vinson's ruling carries more weight than that of other federal judges who have opined that ACA is constitutional.

Jabberwocka

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Wed, 03-02-2011 - 10:57pm

Repeatedly, you have insisted that Vinson's ruling carries more weight than that of other federal judges who have opined that ACA is constitutional...

No, I haven't.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Wed, 03-02-2011 - 11:50pm

That's rich....and more than a little ironic to deny a pattern of behavior, then in the very next paragraph, provide yet another example of that denied behavior.

Jabberwocka

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Thu, 03-03-2011 - 9:38am

Jeez, I just put in a response, and iVillage lost the whole thing.

Well, here is the short, short version.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 11:03am
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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 11:51am
Your link was to an opinion article, an editorial. It is laden (or larded) with phrases like "blindingly obvious", "This is nonsense", "the beast remained true to form"...and of course, "Vinson failed to realize, however, that he was dealing with a particularly vicious specimen of that famously stubborn beast -- the government mule."

What is "blindingly obvious" is the title of the case: "State of Florida v. U.S. Department Health and Human Services". Not "U.S. vs.", but "Florida"...the title maybe sorta kinda gives a hint about the scope of the judgement...

Deborah
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Fri, 03-04-2011 - 12:02pm

I know which way the article leans, however the statements and rulings by the Judge are unaltered, and are factual just the same. I didn't see anything in the "mainstream" that covered it, perhaps they don't want to show the stupidy of the DoJ and how foolish they look that they can't even understand/comply with a Federal Court ruling.

"The individual mandate was declared unconstitutional. Because that 'essential' provision was unseverable from the rest of the Act, the entire legislation was void." He then discusses what he meant to accomplish when he granted declaratory relief to the plaintiffs: "This declaratory judgment was expected to be treated as the 'practical' and 'functional equivalent of an injunction' with respect to the parties to the litigation." Finally, he points out what he did not intend: "It was not expected that [the administration] would effectively ignore the order… then file a belated motion to 'clarify.'"

The truth. BIG TIME.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 03-02-2009
Sat, 03-05-2011 - 12:05am

That's rich....and more than a little ironic to deny a pattern of behavior, then in the very next paragraph, provide yet another example of that denied behavior.

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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Registered: 03-03-2009
Sat, 03-05-2011 - 8:40am
I am done with the topic of ACA, which wasn't the subject of the thread anyway.

Is ACA flawed? Yes. Is it unconstitutional? Some say yes, some say no. Vinson's opinion is his. Because his district and jurisdiction are far more limited than those of the Supreme Court, his word is NOT the last nor is it the definitive. If you wish to believe otherwise, that's your prerogative.

But the lack of PROOF is obvious.

Jabberwocka

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Sat, 03-05-2011 - 1:53pm
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