Freedom of speech threatened?

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Freedom of speech threatened?
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Sun, 01-16-2011 - 11:35am

As many of you know, I have a problem with Palin's gun sights and with some of the Tea Party's violent rhetoric. Many on this board have defended Palin. Palin herself has accused those who want the rhetoric toned down of interfering with free speech. At the filming of "This Week" one of the people who was shot twice, but lived, after the Arizona massacre, snapped a photo of a Tea Partier who was saying the it is inappropriate to talk about the vitriol until we, as a nation, have mourned more.

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 9:23am
Did you look at the link? I'm thinking not, there's another map there. The second was interactive, you could scroll over the target and the name and photo of the targeted individual would pop up.

<<< In fact, I think using derogatory language to describe disturbed people increases the stigma.>>>

If this were just your average person with a mental disorder I would agree. He isn't, he's man that murdered and/or injured a dozen plus people.

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In all fairness, I'm seeing a lot of "could" and "maybe" in these kid of statements. It feels like a stretch to me.

Does the language need to be toned down? Absolutely. Do I feel that the language of the right is a direct result of the language from the left during the Bush years and up to the "if they bring a knife we bring a gun" (paraphrased) line? Beyond a doubt. Neither side is innocent and I think we will get a lot further if we blame politics as a whole instead of a few. There will always be people that will hear the names Palin or Beck or Limbaugh and instantly jump to offense on one side or to defend on the other. It's likely to be a more peaceful discussion IMO if we just blame the entire world of politics instead of the few who seem to be the loudest.

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 9:25am
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My best guess is the photographer was "in his face" where as the other examples you've given were not.
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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 9:33am

It really isnt about where *I* place the line, but where the law places it.

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 9:34am

I disagree. I think there is an awful lot of protected free speech other than political...but what do I know?

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 10:32am

Actually, I reopened the link after posting and only then noticed the second map. The second map IS a lot more similar to Palin's than the first one. I didn't have time to look at it more carefully, so I didn't comment.

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 10:35am

Does the language need to be toned down? Absolutely.

But that's a point on which you and I agree, but we both differ from Tea Partier at This Week and from Palin. They are equating toning it down with intruding on free speech.

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 10:36am

he photographer was "in his face"

That sounds like a reasonable guess to explain the action.

IMO, it's almost worse to threaten someone when they are not there to take note, KWIM?

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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 10:40am
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Now that you've seen it do you have a comment?
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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 10:43am
<<That sounds like a reasonable guess to explain the action.
IMO, it's almost worse to threaten someone when they are not there to take note, KWIM?>>>

I don't know, some perceived threats on a website versus in person where someone can actually carry through with a threat? To me I'd personally be more afraid of the person next to me than what someone says on the web. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Mon, 01-17-2011 - 10:48am
<<But that's a point on which you and I agree, but we both differ from Tea Partier at This Week and from Palin. They are equating toning it down with intruding on free speech.>>>

(I'm reading/posting from my phone because I hate the full web format, sorry if my quoting is confusing)

I have a feeling the *vast* majority from both sides of the aisle agree with us. Palin and the Tea Party are the extreme right, they may occasionally hit the nail on the head but a lot of the time, not so much. I'm sure I'm not alone in agreeing that everyone needs to take it down a level, even to the point of ignoring the loudest who refuse to be civil.
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