On the gay marriage issue

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On the gay marriage issue
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Thu, 11-04-2004 - 7:41pm

I admit right off the bat that I haven't spent a heckuva lot of time thinking on this issue, so I was surprised that 11 (is that right?!) states passed some form of a ban on gay marriage this week.

Carrie, Mom of Alex & Anna

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Thu, 11-04-2004 - 7:49pm
I really hadn't thougth about it much either - till it came up at services one Sunday & at least one sermon was discussing it directly. Now I've thought about it a lot, talked about it a lot, and yes, I now feel wholeheartedly that it's an equal rights issue.

And why should I care what others do anyway? I recall a photo of a protester when they did that march in DC. She was holding a sign that said

"How does my marriage affect the sanctity of yours?"



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Thu, 11-04-2004 - 10:47pm
This is not so straight-forward (pardon the pun). If gays were allowed marriage, it would open up a whole Pandora's box of issues: healthcare rights, tax breaks, more in divorce court...just so many issues we aren't even thinking about. It's complicated.


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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 1:38am
Those are real issues, but tangential to the basic equal rights issue. Yes, legalizing gay marriage would change a lot of things. Giving equal rights to women and blacks changed things too.



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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 6:55am
I haven't looked into the issue too much myself. I wonder if anyone here can answer this question for me?

Is there a difference between marraige and a civil union as far as legal rights?

I don't have any idea but isn't that the biggest argument about gay marraige is that the partner doesn't have any rights, i.e. health care or death benifits? I've heard the term civil union used but don't know what it means.

I don't particuarly like it but if two guys or gals want to get married, I'm not sure how that effects me. And I also think we are on the right track as far as handling this at the state level, it definitely is not a federal issue.

KathyB

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 8:58am
So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that gays are not entitled to equal rights (re: marriage, health care, tax breaks...)

Carrie, Mom of Alex & Anna

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 8:59am

Here is a link that gives a good explanation.


I think it is very important to leave it up to the states to decide by majority vote versus using the

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 9:42am
Thanks Misty,

That article was definitely helpful.

After reading that I'm wondering if it would just be easier for gay-marraige advocates to simply try to get civil-unions afforded the same federal benifits as a marraige, rather than an actual 'marraige'.

Someone posted earlier on this thread something like "how does my marraige effect the sanctity of yours" or something like that. I agree with the basic point of the sentiment. But I think that as far as the sanctity of marraige, sanctity means holiness and sacredness. If a person believes that marraige is a union blessed by God, for His glory, then they may feel the "sanctity" of marraige is threatened if gays are accepted as having this same marraige. A truer statement may be "how does my marraige effect the validity of yours" because obviously it doesn't.

I personally am not too concerned about gay-marraige. I wouldn't vote in favor of it but I wouldn't vote against it. I think the practice of homosexuality is wrong, I also think pre-marital sex is wrong, but I'm not going to run around trying to get laws passed to keep people from doing it.

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 9:55am

In reality, that is homosexuals are looking for.

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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 10:29am
What if you don't see marriage as something "blessed by god?" I don't see how I can marry someone tomorrow that I just met and that is considered a "sacred bond", but if a man marries another man that he has possibly been with for 15 years that somehow that is not?

My life is my life and I would not EVER tell someone else how they should live theirs. I definitely think homosexuals, blacks, etc. should have every right that everyone else does. Just because homosexuals choices aren't the same as yours, they don't deserve the same rights?
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Fri, 11-05-2004 - 10:54am
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Yes, I think they do deserve the same rights, but I do not have to personally endorse their actions. I think I said in my post that I would not vote against gay-marraige, but like I also said, I believe the practice of homosexuality is a sin, so it would be hypocritical for me to vote for it, and I wouldn't.


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I was bringing up someone else's point about the sanctity of marraige. People who believe marraige is a union before God, and that homosexuality is a sinful practice, may feel that the 'sanctity' of marraige is threatened by gay-marraige. People who don't see marraige as something "blessed by God" are probably not concerned about the sanctity of marraige.

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I don't see how you could do that either. If you are using the term 'sacred' to mean special, then yes, it would be sacred (the 2 men-15 yr scenario). If you are using the term 'sacred' to mean consecrated by God, then that would depend on a lot of things, namely whether or not you belive God views homosexuality as sinful or not.

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Hey, I'm always willing to give my opinion if asked, but what people choose to do is ultimately their business.

KathyB

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