What he said was neither a gender nor homophobic slight though. Telling another man to suck his **** does not make fun of gender or sexual orientation. Heck if anything he opened himself up to having gay jokes made at him by asking another man to do that.
<<I really don't have too much of a problem with "crude language" coming from guys, but I also think that if someone is asked to stop, whether one thinks that person is joking or not, it is always best to err on the side of caution and stop.>>
Like another poster pointed out, he obviously didn't realize that he was being asked to stop but rather, thought that he was being taunted and was supposed to continue. At that point, everyone in the convoy was listening and I guess he thought he was supposed to 'perform' and give the expected response, especially since the 'request' to stop was given sarcastically.
Although I don't exactly condone the behavior, I guess I'm probably more accepting of it then some other women are. Growing up my second 'home' was a firehouse. Obviously it was male dominated and that kind of talk was very prevalent. It was almost an insult if they didn't talk to you that way. Between the firehouse and working in restaurant kitchens, I definitely heard and participated in my share of 'c*cktalk'.
<<"We're too busy, and too close, and we spend too much time together as an extended, dysfunctional family to care about sex, gender preference, race or national origin. After level of skills, it's how sensitive you are to criticism and perceived insult - and how well you can give it right back - that determines your place in the food chain.">>
I've commented throughout this thread, but I guess it is time for me to back away.
I am rather amazed at what I see justified here as excusable conduct - ok to discharge people from their profession because someone else can't adapt and learn to get over their discomfort, that it is ok to toss around exclamations of a sexual nature over a communications network, that this is boys will be boys conduct.
Well, there is a lot of boys will be boys conduct that is quite immature and hardly of an adult level. I have no issue with these comments in certain settings and contexts, but over a broadcast channel accessible by all within the unit?
Given the nature of their task, shouldn't communication be on point and on business? Muddied up communications is not a good thing for any military to endure in the field.
Setting that aside, I see excuses flying, some of it rather ironic (as kate pointed out.) The bottom line is diversity is coming to the military, and like it or not, those serving just have to adapt and move on.
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What he said was neither a gender nor homophobic slight though. Telling another man to suck his **** does not make fun of gender or sexual orientation. Heck if anything he opened himself up to having gay jokes made at him by asking another man to do that.
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I am perfectly capable of joking and do it quite frequently.
You really didn't need to add that last part...now you are starting to make it personal.
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<<I really don't have too much of a problem with "crude language" coming from guys, but I also think that if someone is asked to stop, whether one thinks that person is joking or not, it is always best to err on the side of caution and stop.>>
Like another poster pointed out, he obviously didn't realize that he was being asked to stop but rather, thought that he was being taunted and was supposed to continue. At that point, everyone in the convoy was listening and I guess he thought he was supposed to 'perform' and give the expected response, especially since the 'request' to stop was given sarcastically.
Although I don't exactly condone the behavior, I guess I'm probably more accepting of it then some other women are. Growing up my second 'home' was a firehouse. Obviously it was male dominated and that kind of talk was very prevalent. It was almost an insult if they didn't talk to you that way. Between the firehouse and working in restaurant kitchens, I definitely heard and participated in my share of 'c*cktalk'.
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Chrissy
<<"We're too busy, and too close, and we spend too much time together as an extended, dysfunctional family to care about sex, gender preference, race or national origin. After level of skills, it's how sensitive you are to criticism and perceived insult - and how well you can give it right back - that determines your place in the food chain.">>
My question is why would men in the service
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I've commented throughout this thread, but I guess it is time for me to back away.
I am rather amazed at what I see justified here as excusable conduct - ok to discharge people from their profession because someone else can't adapt and learn to get over their discomfort, that it is ok to toss around exclamations of a sexual nature over a communications network, that this is boys will be boys conduct.
Well, there is a lot of boys will be boys conduct that is quite immature and hardly of an adult level. I have no issue with these comments in certain settings and contexts, but over a broadcast channel accessible by all within the unit?
Given the nature of their task, shouldn't communication be on point and on business? Muddied up communications is not a good thing for any military to endure in the field.
Setting that aside, I see excuses flying, some of it rather ironic (as kate pointed out.) The bottom line is diversity is coming to the military, and like it or not, those serving just have to adapt and move on.
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It would seem it qualified under the military's definition of sexual harrassment, not just a liberals one.
I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure
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